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Subject:    Re: Relicensing Krita as LGPLv2+
From:       Paragon <french.paragon () gmail ! com>
Date:       2017-01-07 21:01:18
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Blender and Natron are under a GPL license but there are comercial 
plugins for both of them. (And even commercial "forks" of blender, or at 
least builds of blenders that are sold with a commercial closed 
software, like vray). So I don't think relicensing under lgpl will 
change much on this case. Tell me if i'm wrong ???


Le 07. 01. 17 à 21:37, Sven Langkamp a écrit :
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Boudewijn Rempt <boud@valdyas.org 
> <mailto:boud@valdyas.org>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     Umpteenth draft of this mail, but I think we should consider
>     relicensing
>     the GPL code in Krita to LGPL.
>
>     One reason is that now that Krita is on its own, the mix of LGPL
>     library
>     code inherited from koffice/calligra and GPL library code
>     inherited from
>     Krita makes it hard to move code around; like we just did in the svg
>     branch, creating the kritacommand library from code from krita/image
>     and libs/kundo2. That code needs to be relicensed to LGPL before we
>     merge the branch, of course.
>
>
> We could go to GPL for the complete repository and never have to 
> relicense anything again. It also doesn't happen that often that files 
> need to be moved across libaries and I have done some relicensing for 
> this in the past.
>
>     Another reason is that there are too many macOS users who get confused
>     when they install an application that's not in the app store, and we
>     cannot publish GPL software in the app store. I wish I could just
>     shrug
>     that off, and I've done that until 3.1, but it's getting quite a
>     support burden.
>
>
> This is somewhat of a grey area. At least the FSF thinks that even the 
> LGPL isn't compatible with the App Store.
>
> https://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/left-wondering-why-vlc-relicensed-some-code-to-lgpl
>
> VLC did the same relicensing and is in the App Store, so it works for 
> now. But I wouldn't bet on that for the future.
>
> Beside that I don't like that Apple indirectly dictates our licensing.
>
>     I haven't found a script yet that will figure out who owns copyright
>     on the original GPL'ed krita code only -- running things like git fame
>     only works on the whole repo, most of which is LGPL already...
>
>
> I'm remain sceptical about this for now.
>
> There is another issue that should be considered. Due to the heavy use 
> of plugins in Krita it would become very easy to extend Krita with 
> closed-source plugins. Pratically is would be possible to make a 
> close-source version on top of the existing code. This may sound 
> hypothetical, but we had this in the past were the license prevented a 
> commercial fork. Do we allow that? I think that's something that 
> should at least be considered.
>


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    <p>Blender and Natron are under a GPL license but there are
      comercial plugins for both of them. (And even commercial "forks"
      of blender, or at least builds of blenders that are sold with a
      commercial closed software, like vray). So I don't think
      relicensing under lgpl will change much on this case. Tell me if
      i'm wrong ???</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 07. 01. 17 à 21:37, Sven Langkamp a
      écrit :<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAAmsBfkAhrpnrJnKCAodQ69uDWSJkWNG=i1GrygqQn=vLpgzXw@mail.gmail.com"
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:13 AM,
            Boudewijn Rempt <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:boud@valdyas.org"
                target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" \
href="mailto:boud@valdyas.org">boud@valdyas.org</a></a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>  \
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px  0.8ex;border-left:1px \
solid  rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
              <br>
              Umpteenth draft of this mail, but I think we should
              consider relicensing<br>
              the GPL code in Krita to LGPL.<br>
              <br>
              One reason is that now that Krita is on its own, the mix
              of LGPL library<br>
              code inherited from koffice/calligra and GPL library code
              inherited from<br>
              Krita makes it hard to move code around; like we just did
              in the svg<br>
              branch, creating the kritacommand library from code from
              krita/image<br>
              and libs/kundo2. That code needs to be relicensed to LGPL
              before we<br>
              merge the branch, of course.<br>
            </blockquote>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>We could go to GPL for the complete repository and
              never have to relicense anything again. It also doesn't
              happen that often that files need to be moved across
              libaries and I have done some relicensing for this in the
              past.<br>
            </div>
            <div> </div>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
              0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
              rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
              Another reason is that there are too many macOS users who
              get confused<br>
              when they install an application that's not in the app
              store, and we<br>
              cannot publish GPL software in the app store. I wish I
              could just shrug<br>
              that off, and I've done that until 3.1, but it's getting
              quite a<br>
              support burden.<br>
            </blockquote>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>This is somewhat of a grey area. At least the FSF
              thinks that even the LGPL isn't compatible with the App
              Store.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/left-wondering-why-vlc-relicensed-some-code- \
to-lgpl">https://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/left-wondering-why-vlc-relicensed-some-code-to-lgpl</a><br>
  </div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>VLC did the same relicensing and is in the App Store,
              so it works for now. But I wouldn't bet on that for the
              future.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Beside that I don't like that Apple indirectly dictates
              our licensing.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
              0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
              rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
              I haven't found a script yet that will figure out who owns
              copyright<br>
              on the original GPL'ed krita code only -- running things
              like git fame<br>
              only works on the whole repo, most of which is LGPL
              already...<br>
            </blockquote>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>I'm remain sceptical about this for now.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>There is another issue that should be considered. Due
              to the heavy use of plugins in Krita it would become very
              easy to extend Krita with closed-source plugins.
              Pratically is would be possible to make a close-source
              version on top of the existing code. This may sound
              hypothetical, but we had this in the past were the license
              prevented a commercial fork. Do we allow that? I think
              that's something that should at least be considered.</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
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