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Subject: Re: Some input about current Krita Windows build
From: David Revoy <davidrevoy () gmail ! com>
Date: 2013-09-27 8:23:26
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> *(Animtim) (by the way, I'm really missing the option to see only presets
>>> from selected engine here as it was before, I filed a bug about this so=
me
>>> time ago).
>>> *
>>
>> *(Deevad)** Restricting presets by active brush engine on this carousel
>> selector would make a lot of sens. For your and my usage.
>> *
>>
> *(Slangkamp) At some point the restriction to only the the active brush
> was removed from all preset widgets, not sure why though.*
xD I was the culprit asking for breaking the restriction back in 2010 I
think. At this time, it was restricted by engine in _all_ brush preset
dialog. A 'Show All' checkbox existed on the "brush preset docker". I asked
for checking 'Show All' as default at startup, because I pressed this each
restart , and so for productive reason. But I agree the 'caroussel/slider'
brush preset selector embedded into the brush-editor would act better if
showing only brush from the 'engine' selected.
So, does a breakdown action by action of a brush-editing could be
summarized to this ? :
1. select engine
2. panel propose existing brush-preset ( engine related )
3. pick an existing brush-preset or reset one to default
4. tweak options
5. edit thumbnails or paint a test in the test zone
6. edit name or rename
7. save or overwrite
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Sven Langkamp <sven.langkamp@gmail.com>wro=
te:
>
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:16 PM, David Revoy <davidrevoy@gmail.com>wrote=
:
>
>> * mockup : http://i.imgur.com/NMzgAhY.png*
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks for your time commenting @Animtim, here my replies on this topic
>> :
>>
>>
>>> *-The preset selector row is really important for me, very useful to
>>> compare/check several presets quickly. I would not be happy if it gets
>>> removed. (by the way, I'm really missing the option to see only presets
>>> from selected engine here as it was before, I filed a bug about this so=
me
>>> time ago).
>>> *
>>
>> Ok. I have difficulties using this carousel brush selector with a stylus=
,
>> so I never do. With new tag system mini-bug-or-feature ;newly created br=
ush
>> just jump to the end of list. The scrolling holding '>' arrow is really
>> long.
>> Restricting presets by active brush engine on this carousel selector
>> would make a lot of sens. For your and my usage.
>>
>>
>
> If we remove it someone will request to add it back soon. We could add an
> option to hide it maybe. At some point the restriction to only the the
> active brush was removed from all preset widgets, not sure why though.
>
>
>> ** *
>>> -Having the engine selector as dropdown would make one more click and
>>> scrolling the list to switch.. I still prefer how it is now.
>>> *
>>
>> Ok, I thought about it because I rarely switch engine when I configure a
>> brush. Anyway, my drop-down list in a drop-down panel was surely not
>> elegant.
>> By the way, does the subcategory 'Stable' and 'Experimental' brush engin=
e
>> still makes sens ? I have the feeling any brush engine available now are
>> stable.
>>
>
> Experimental is a bit useless. Originally it was there to show that these
> brush engines might change in the future. But I think we never really
> communicated that and they didn't change that much either.
>
>
>> * -Name field shrinked: that's ok as long as it's still long enough
>>> (looks ok size on the mockup)
>>> *
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>
>>> * -Do we really need to add a rename preset when we can already just
>>> edit the name and save it as new? Well yes, as then we have to clean up
>>> manually old-named presets, so it could save some manipulations here.. =
So
>>> why not, if we find space for it.
>>> *
>>
>> Rename would be a nice little featurette. Because sorting is driven by
>> 0-9 + A-Z ; Renaming by creating a new and removing the old one is sure
>> what I do since years. But it's also always risky to remove accidentally
>> the unwanted one. Here again the "mini-bug-or-feature ;newly created bru=
sh
>> just jump to the end of list" prevent a bit of that. I would really like=
a
>> way to refresh resource without having to close and restart Krita...
>>
>>
>>> * -Color field folded be default: why not, as those options are used on
>>> very few preset cases.
>>> *
>>
>> :)
>>
>> * -Restore icon button: yep sure this one still miss a proper icon, it's
>>> on the todo list ;)*
>>
>> My idea on the mockup was not to provide a static icon. But draw here th=
e
>> 'active' icon . Easier feedback.
>>
>
> The problem there is that not every image can be scaled down properly. So
> you could get some problem with very fine structures etc.
>
>
>> _____________________
>> http://www.davidrevoy.com
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Timoth=E9e Giet <animtim@gmail.com>wro=
te:
>>
>>> Le 26/09/2013 09:38, David Revoy a =E9crit :
>>>
>>> 5) "Edit Brush Settings" dialog doesn't fit the wide-format laptop
>>>> screen (I guess it was a 15" laptop).
>>>>
>>> A diet mockup proposition I made this morning for the "Krita Brush
>>> Editor" : http://i.imgur.com/NMzgAhY.png ( 950x450px instead of
>>> 1115x600px ).To other artist and users feel free to debate about this
>>> mockup here before submitting as a wish. Would you like it ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Some opinions about this mockup:
>>> -The preset selector row is really important for me, very useful to
>>> compare/check several presets quickly. I would not be happy if it gets
>>> removed. (by the way, I'm really missing the option to see only presets
>>> from selected engine here as it was before, I filed a bug about this so=
me
>>> time ago).
>>>
>>> -Having the engine selector as dropdown would make one more click and
>>> scrolling the list to switch.. I still prefer how it is now.
>>>
>>> -Name field shrinked: that's ok as long as it's still long enough (look=
s
>>> ok size on the mockup)
>>>
>>> -Do we really need to add a rename preset when we can already just edit
>>> the name and save it as new? Well yes, as then we have to clean up manu=
ally
>>> old-named presets, so it could save some manipulations here.. So why no=
t,
>>> if we find space for it.
>>>
>>> -Color field folded be default: why not, as those options are used on
>>> very few preset cases.
>>>
>>> -Restore icon button: yep sure this one still miss a proper icon, it's
>>> on the todo list ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> - David
>>>
>>>
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class="gmail_quote"> <div><div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
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class="gmail_quote"><i>(Animtim) (by the way, I'm really missing the option to \
see only presets from selected engine here as it was before, I filed a bug
about this some time ago).<br></i></blockquote></div><div><i>(Deevad)</i><i> \
Restricting presets by active brush engine on this carousel selector would make a lot \
of sens. For your and my usage. <br></i></div></div></blockquote> \
</blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><i>(Slangkamp) At some point \
the restriction to only the the active brush was removed from all preset widgets, not \
sure why though.</i></blockquote> <div>xD I was the culprit asking for breaking the \
restriction back in 2010 I think. At this time, it was restricted by engine in _all_ \
brush preset dialog. A 'Show All' checkbox existed on the "brush preset \
docker". I asked for checking 'Show All' as default at startup, because \
I pressed this each restart , and so for productive reason. But I agree the \
'caroussel/slider' brush preset selector embedded into the brush-editor would \
act better if showing only brush from the 'engine' selected.<br> \
<br></div><div>So, does a breakdown action by action of a brush-editing could be \
summarized to this ? :<br></div><div><ol><li>select engine</li><li>panel propose \
existing brush-preset ( engine related )<br></li><li>pick an existing brush-preset or \
reset one to default</li> <li>tweak options</li><li>edit thumbnails or paint a test \
in the test zone</li><li>edit name or rename</li><li>save or \
overwrite</li></ol><p><br></p></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div \
class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Sven Langkamp <span \
dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sven.langkamp@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">sven.langkamp@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:16 PM, David Revoy \
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:davidrevoy@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">davidrevoy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"> <i> mockup : <a \
href="http://i.imgur.com/NMzgAhY.png" \
target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/NMzgAhY.png</a></i></blockquote></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks \
for your time commenting @Animtim, here my replies on this topic : </div> \
</div><div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><i>-The preset selector row is \
really important for me, very useful to compare/check several presets quickly. I \
would not be happy if it gets removed. (by the way, I'm really missing the \
option to see only presets from selected engine here as it was before, I filed a bug
about this some time ago).<br></i></blockquote></div><div>Ok. I have difficulties \
using this carousel brush selector with a stylus, so I never do. With new tag system \
mini-bug-or-feature ;newly created brush just jump to the end of list. The scrolling \
holding '>' arrow is really long.<br>
</div><div>Restricting presets by active brush engine on this carousel selector would \
make a lot of sens. For your and my usage.<br> \
<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>If we remove it someone will \
request to add it back soon. We could add an option to hide it maybe. At some point \
the restriction to only the the active brush was removed from all preset widgets, not \
sure why though.</div> <div class="im">
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px \
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div><blockquote \
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
<i></i>
<i><br>
-Having the engine selector as dropdown would make one more click
and scrolling the list to switch.. I still prefer how it is \
now.<br></i></blockquote></div><div>Ok, I thought about it because I rarely switch \
engine when I configure a brush. Anyway, my drop-down list in a drop-down panel was \
surely not elegant. <br>
By the way, does the subcategory 'Stable' and 'Experimental' brush \
engine still makes sens ? I have the feeling any brush engine available now are \
stable.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div> Experimental is a bit \
useless. Originally it was there to show that these brush engines might change in the \
future. But I think we never really communicated that and they didn't change that \
much either.</div><div class="im">
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px \
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px \
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" \
class="gmail_quote">
<i>
-Name field shrinked: that's ok as long as it's still long enough
(looks ok size on the mockup)<br></i></blockquote></div><div>:-) \
<br></div><div><div> </div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"> \
<i>
-Do we really need to add a rename preset when we can already just
edit the name and save it as new? Well yes, as then we have to clean
up manually old-named presets, so it could save some manipulations
here.. So why not, if we find space for it.<br></i></blockquote></div><div>Rename \
would be a nice little featurette. Because sorting is driven by 0-9 + A-Z ; Renaming \
by creating a new and removing the old one is sure what I do since years. But \
it's also always risky to remove accidentally the unwanted one. Here again the \
"mini-bug-or-feature ;newly created brush just jump to the end of list" \
prevent a bit of that. I would really like a way to refresh resource without having \
to close and restart Krita...<br>
</div><div><div> <br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" \
class="gmail_quote"><i>
-Color field folded be default: why not, as those options are used
on very few preset cases.<br></i></blockquote></div><div>:) \
<br><br></div><div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><i>
-Restore icon button: yep sure this one still miss a proper icon,
it's on the todo list ;)</i></blockquote></div><div>My idea on the mockup was \
not to provide a static icon. But draw here the 'active' icon . Easier \
feedback. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div> <div>
The problem there is that not every image can be scaled down properly. So you could \
get some problem with very fine structures etc.</div><div><div class="h5"><div> \
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div><font size="1"><span \
style="color:rgb(192,192,192)">_____________________</span><br><a \
href="http://www.davidrevoy.com" \
target="_blank">http://www.davidrevoy.com</a></font><br></div><div><div> <br><br><div \
class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Timothée Giet <span \
dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:animtim@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">animtim@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<div>Le 26/09/2013 09:38, David Revoy a
écrit :<br>
</div><div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">5)
"Edit Brush Settings" dialog doesn't fit the wide-format
laptop screen (I guess it was a 15" laptop).<br>
</blockquote>
A diet mockup proposition I made this morning for the "Krita
Brush Editor" : <a href="http://i.imgur.com/NMzgAhY.png" \
target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/NMzgAhY.png</a> ( 950x450px instead of \
1115x600px ).To other artist and users feel free to debate about this mockup here \
before submitting as a wish. Would you like it ?<br>
</div>
<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Hi,<br>
Some opinions about this mockup:<br>
-The preset selector row is really important for me, very useful to
compare/check several presets quickly. I would not be happy if it
gets removed. (by the way, I'm really missing the option to see only
presets from selected engine here as it was before, I filed a bug
about this some time ago).<br>
<br>
-Having the engine selector as dropdown would make one more click
and scrolling the list to switch.. I still prefer how it is now.<br>
<br>
-Name field shrinked: that's ok as long as it's still long enough
(looks ok size on the mockup)<br>
<br>
-Do we really need to add a rename preset when we can already just
edit the name and save it as new? Well yes, as then we have to clean
up manually old-named presets, so it could save some manipulations
here.. So why not, if we find space for it.<br>
<br>
-Color field folded be default: why not, as those options are used
on very few preset cases.<br>
<br>
-Restore icon button: yep sure this one still miss a proper icon,
it's on the todo list ;)<br>
<br>
<br>
Tim<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div class="gmail_extra">- David<br>
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