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Subject:    Re: KDE 4.
From:       John Culleton <john () wexfordpress ! com>
Date:       2011-07-21 14:53:41
Message-ID: 201107211053.41257.john () wexfordpress ! com
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On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 05:26:53 pm Silvio Grosso 
wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> John Culleton wrote:
> >My advice to Lydia, whomever she may be, is to find a 
way
> 
> to make KDE apps run without Amorak.
> 
> I have never tried Amarok.
> On the other hand, I have always read it is very 
powerful.
> 
> This month, on a Linux Italian magazine (Linux pro:
> http://www.sprea.it/scheda.php?id_riv=42) I have read a 
very thorough
> comparison.
> It was about a set of Linux Music players.
> 
> To start with, the writer pointed out Amarok very great 
set of features.
> But, in the end, the biggest criticism against Amarok 
regarded its Gui.
> According to this magazine it is still too much 
difficult to work with
> Amarok.
> For the record, the winner of this review has been 
Banshee :-)
> 
> In my view, the biggest problem about many Kde softwares 
is that they don't
> have a big Company which supports them...
> They usually have a very great set of features (thanks 
to the Qt toolkit
> which attracts many developers).
> Unfortunately, this richness is both their force and 
their problem.
> Having many features means they are often buggy or not 
enough documented.
> 
> In the end, for every open source software, it is 
beneficial to have some
> big Company which supports them :-)
> E.g. LibreOffice - Novell; Ubuntu - Canonical; Blender - 
Blender
> Foundation.
> 
> Microsoft has loads of full-time: developers, Gui 
designers, folks who
> write documentation, sales representitives etc
> 
> In my opinion, another problem about Kde softwares is 
that it is often very
> difficult to port them on Windows and Mac :-)
> Yep. I am aware I *should* try them on KDE :-)
> But if you think about Gimp, Inkscape, MyPaint, Scribus 
etc (all of them
> cross-platform) you know what I mean.
> 
> P.s: I am always amazed about many Kde softwares :-)
> It is incredible to have software such as K3B, Digikam, 
Kdenlive and of
> course Krita for free.
> Most of them didn't have a Company which supported their 
development and
> yet they are surprisingly powerful :-)
> 
> KUDOS to all their VERY talented developers!
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Silvio

I meant to orate against Akonadi, not Amorak. My momentary 
brain mailfunction.

I am an utter fan of Open Source software. But when KDE 
went from KDE 3.5 to KDE 4.x the wheels came off the cart. 
Quite simply KDE4 is a mess.

All but one of my favorite apps also followed suit, at 
least to the point that they used Qt4. So I didn't have 
much choice if I wished to keep up with the latest apps. 
Krita is a good example. I use Krita 2.3.3. That is what 
comes with Slackware 13.37. Other apps, like Scribus or 
Gimp, are not married to KDE so that I can upgrade them 
as needed from svn and nightly if useful. AFAIK Krita 
doesn't offer me that degree of independence. You have to 
upgrade the entire KDE package, a huge undertaking.

I am of course also totally grateful to those who develop
FOSS for the rest of us. I try to spur them on to bigger 
and better things of course. But hopefully I never show 
ingratitude. 


-- 
John Culleton

"Death Wore Black" Police procedural: 
http://www.deathworeblack.com/

"Create Book Covers with Scribus"
http://booklocker.com/books/4055.html

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-qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday, July 20, 2011 05:26:53 pm Silvio Grosso wrote:</p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi everyone,</p> <p \
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-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; John Culleton wrote:</p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;My advice to Lydia, \
whomever she may be, is to find a way</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; to make KDE apps run without Amorak.</p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I have never tried \
Amarok.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On the \
other hand, I have always read it is very powerful.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; This month, on a Linux Italian magazine \
(Linux pro:</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; \
http://www.sprea.it/scheda.php?id_riv=42) I have read a very thorough</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; comparison.</p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It was about a set of \
Linux Music players.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">&gt; To start with, the writer pointed out Amarok very great set \
of features.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; But, \
in the end, the biggest criticism against Amarok regarded its Gui.</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; According to this \
magazine it is still too much difficult to work with</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Amarok.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; For the record, the winner of this review \
has been Banshee :-)</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">&gt; In my view, the biggest problem about many Kde softwares is \
that they don't</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; have a \
big Company which supports them...</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">&gt; They usually have a very great set of features (thanks to the \
Qt toolkit</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; which \
attracts many developers).</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Unfortunately, this richness is both their force and their \
problem.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Having \
many features means they are often buggy or not enough documented.</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; In the end, for every \
open source software, it is beneficial to have some</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; big Company which supports them :-)</p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; E.g. LibreOffice - \
Novell; Ubuntu - Canonical; Blender - Blender</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Foundation.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Microsoft has loads of full-time: \
developers, Gui designers, folks who</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; write documentation, sales representitives \
etc</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; In my opinion, another \
problem about Kde softwares is that it is often very</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; difficult to port them on Windows and Mac \
:-)</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Yep. I \
am aware I *should* try them on KDE :-)</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; But if you think about Gimp, Inkscape, \
MyPaint, Scribus etc (all of them</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cross-platform) you know what I mean.</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; P.s: I am always amazed \
about many Kde softwares :-)</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It is incredible to have software such as K3B, Digikam, \
Kdenlive and of</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; course \
Krita for free.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Most \
of them didn't have a Company which supported their development and</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; yet they are \
surprisingly powerful :-)</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">&gt; KUDOS to all their VERY talented developers!</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Best regards,</p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Silvio</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I meant to orate against \
Akonadi, not Amorak. My momentary brain mailfunction.</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I am an utter fan of Open \
Source software. But when KDE went from KDE 3.5 to KDE 4.x the wheels came off the \
cart. </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Quite \
simply KDE4 is a mess.</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">All but one of my favorite apps also followed \
suit, at least to the point that they used Qt4. So I didn't have much choice if I \
wished to keep up with the latest apps. </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Krita is a good example. I use Krita 2.3.3. That \
is what comes with Slackware 13.37. Other apps, like Scribus or Gimp, are not married \
to KDE so that I can upgrade them </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">as needed from svn and nightly if useful. AFAIK Krita doesn't \
offer me that degree of independence. You have to upgrade the entire KDE package, a \
huge undertaking.</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I am of course also totally grateful to those who \
develop</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">FOSS for \
the rest of us. I try to spur them on to bigger and better things of course. But \
hopefully I never show ingratitude. </p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">John Culleton</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&quot;Death Wore Black&quot; \
Police procedural: http://www.deathworeblack.com/</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&quot;Create Book Covers with \
Scribus&quot;</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">http://booklocker.com/books/4055.html</p></body></html>



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