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Subject: Re: Suggestions for a shortcut for Save Incremental Version
From: David REVOY <davidrevoy () gmail ! com>
Date: 2011-06-17 20:53:21
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Hi,
I both like the 2 way to do save incremental :
The one Dmitry expose on the mail under is also a good method with
advantages ;
The name of the final file don't change till the end of project. This
can help for inclusion , or relative link with another program or in a
multi-software workflow .For exemple I experienced an awesome test with
the 2 'reload' option between Krita and Mypaint , working on the same
file is a pleasure. On a project like Sintel, it can help also help
workers to keep a GIT or SVN versionning of the file.
What I propose is in regards of this choice is to keep the 2 systems ;
1. Option 'Save Incremental' as Pentalis already did ( I couldn't test
but it looks and sound good from what's written, I like the way it use
0~9 or a~z depending the filename ; smart ! )
For the shortcut ; maybe Ctrl+Alt+S ( in PS , this one is for "save for
web" ) ; but I know because of Ubuntu usage of 'Alt' this last keystroke
became taboo in many apps. ( not for Blender or Gimp ) . btw, the F2 of
the 'save as scrap' of Mypaint is also cool because it's a single key to
press.
This option can be really good working on Storyboard too, thumbnail
sketching and sketch in general.
For this option , I like the naming foo_001.kra.
2. For the other method Dmitry posted , a preference option ( as a
checkbox in the preference menu ) to make the behavior of the normal
'Save' keep older versions and rename ( what Blender do also ) ; with a
number box to change ( ex: keep 4 last versions / 8 last version or
all~infinite version ). This option is more designed for artist who want
to avoid overwritting errors on a single painting files ; or keep
historical . I can make easier also the creation of a WIP.
For this option , I like the naming foo~001.kra.
I hope with the ~ and _ ; collision between files will not happen
between the 2 system, if you think the design of a system like this is
good.
( ex : the first 'save' over a the second page of a storyboard :
foo_002~001.kra )
- David
____________________________
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On 17/06/11 21:21, Dmitry Kazakov wrote:
> Btw, some programs use a reverse way of dealing with revisions. They
> rotate the existent files, so the newest version of the file is always
> non-postfixed.
>
> Example:
>
> Before:
> file.kra # 05.01.11
> file~1.kra # 04.01.11
> file~2.kra # 03.01.11
>
> After:
> file.kra # 06.01.11
> file~1.kra # 05.01.11
> file~2.kra # 04.01.11
> file~3.kra # 03.01.11
>
> That is just an idea. No insisting on it. I'm not sure about the pros
> and cons.
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:07 PM, JL VT <pentalis@gmail.com
> <mailto:pentalis@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I recently added a new feature to Krita, reachable at the Save
> Incremental Version entry in the File menu.
>
> Operation:
> --When clicked, a file called foo.bar is saved as foo_001.bar.
> --If the file was already called foo_001.bar, it is saved as
> foo_002.bar, and so on.
> --If a file with the new name already exists, a letter is added to the
> incremental version, for example, foo_001a.bar. Incrementations
> preserve this letter, for example the next save incremental will save
> it as foo_002b.bar.
> --If the user manually used an incremental version scheme between 2
> and 4 numbers, for example foo_01.bar or foo_1029.bar, it will be
> respected, saving a foo_02.bar and foo_1030.bar file respectively.
> --The command will never ask the user to confirm to save a file (it is
> meant to save time), and by the principle of least surprise, it will
> also never overwrite an already-existing file.
> --If the algorithm reaches its end searching for alternative names
> (exhausts options going all the way up to a "z" letter, as in
> foo_009z.bar, it will show the user an error asking to save the file
> manually with an adequate name).
>
> The question I have is:
>
> What would be a good default shortcut for this feature?,
>
> since it's a feature meant to save time, it should have a default
> shortcut. But I'm actually completely unfamiliar with the shortcuts we
> use and I think artists have a better idea of what would be good.
>
> I also CC'd Calligra-devel to inform them of the feature and hopefully
> catch a couple suggestions (also, if there's interest to make Save
> Incremental Version Calligra-wide, it's not hard to relocate).
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>
>
> --
> Dmitry Kazakov
>
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Hi, <br>
<br>
I both like the 2 way to do save incremental : <br>
The one Dmitry expose on the mail under is also a good method with
advantages ; <br>
The name of the final file don't change till the end of project.
This can help for inclusion , or relative link with another program
or in a multi-software workflow .For exemple I experienced an
awesome test with the 2 'reload' option between Krita and Mypaint ,
working on the same file is a pleasure. On a project like Sintel, it
can help also help workers to keep a GIT or SVN versionning of the
file. <br>
<br>
What I propose is in regards of this choice is to keep the 2
systems ; <br>
<br>
1. Option 'Save Incremental' as Pentalis already did ( I couldn't
test but it looks and sound good from what's written, I like the way
it use 0~9 or a~z depending the filename ; smart ! ) <br>
For the shortcut ; maybe Ctrl+Alt+S ( in PS , this one is for "save
for web" ) ; but I know because of Ubuntu usage of 'Alt' this last
keystroke became taboo in many apps. ( not for Blender or Gimp ) .
btw, the F2 of the 'save as scrap' of Mypaint is also cool because
it's a single key to press.<br>
This option can be really good working on Storyboard too, thumbnail
sketching and sketch in general.<br>
For this option , I like the naming foo_001.kra.<br>
<br>
2. For the other method Dmitry posted , a preference option ( as a
checkbox in the preference menu ) to make the behavior of the normal
'Save' keep older versions and rename ( what Blender do also ) ;
with a number box to change ( ex: keep 4 last versions / 8 last
version or all~infinite version ). This option is more designed for
artist who want to avoid overwritting errors on a single painting
files ; or keep historical . I can make easier also the creation of
a WIP. <br>
For this option , I like the naming foo~001.kra.<br>
<br>
I hope with the ~ and _ ; collision between files will not happen
between the 2 system, if you think the design of a system like this
is good. <br>
( ex : the first 'save' over a the second page of a storyboard :
foo_002~001.kra )<br>
<br>
- David<br>
<font color="grey">____________________________</font><br>
<a href="http://www.davidrevoy.com"> http://www.davidrevoy.com</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 17/06/11 21:21, Dmitry Kazakov wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:BANLkTi=Dkx=_h7hZFqcjVzZ9kKe6LzvDyg@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Btw, some programs use a reverse way of dealing with
revisions. They rotate the existent files, so the newest version
of the file is always non-postfixed.<br>
<br>
Example:<br>
<br>
Before:<br>
file.kra # 05.01.11<br>
file~1.kra # 04.01.11<br>
file~2.kra # 03.01.11<br>
<br>
After:<br>
file.kra # 06.01.11<br>
file~1.kra # 05.01.11<br>
file~2.kra # 04.01.11<br>
file~3.kra # 03.01.11<br>
<br>
That is just an idea. No insisting on it. I'm not sure about the
pros and cons.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:07 PM, JL VT <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pentalis@gmail.com">pentalis@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
padding-left: 1ex;">I recently added a new feature to Krita,
reachable at the Save<br>
Incremental Version entry in the File menu.<br>
<br>
Operation:<br>
--When clicked, a file called foo.bar is saved as foo_001.bar.<br>
--If the file was already called foo_001.bar, it is saved as<br>
foo_002.bar, and so on.<br>
--If a file with the new name already exists, a letter is
added to the<br>
incremental version, for example, foo_001a.bar.
Incrementations<br>
preserve this letter, for example the next save incremental
will save<br>
it as foo_002b.bar.<br>
--If the user manually used an incremental version scheme
between 2<br>
and 4 numbers, for example foo_01.bar or foo_1029.bar, it will
be<br>
respected, saving a foo_02.bar and foo_1030.bar file
respectively.<br>
--The command will never ask the user to confirm to save a
file (it is<br>
meant to save time), and by the principle of least surprise,
it will<br>
also never overwrite an already-existing file.<br>
--If the algorithm reaches its end searching for alternative
names<br>
(exhausts options going all the way up to a "z" letter, as in<br>
foo_009z.bar, it will show the user an error asking to save
the file<br>
manually with an adequate name).<br>
<br>
The question I have is:<br>
<br>
What would be a good default shortcut for this feature?,<br>
<br>
since it's a feature meant to save time, it should have a
default<br>
shortcut. But I'm actually completely unfamiliar with the
shortcuts we<br>
use and I think artists have a better idea of what would be
good.<br>
<br>
I also CC'd Calligra-devel to inform them of the feature and
hopefully<br>
catch a couple suggestions (also, if there's interest to make
Save<br>
Incremental Version Calligra-wide, it's not hard to relocate).<br>
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-- <br>
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