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From: Silvio Heinrich <plassy () web ! de>
Date: 2011-01-29 12:30:16
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Hmm.. ok. I don't know what color model gimp exactly uses for this but i
thought gimp uses HSV.
It would be nice if you could tell me more about the way how gimp does
it (of course only if you know).
But if gimp really uses just HSV then it is not really superior. It's
just a matter what you want to do in which way.
I paint myself (and i'm not too bad i would say :D) and for me the
photoshop way is working much better.
It was not my intend to simply remove something. The other color mode is
still there it's just not in the list.
I actually planed to support more then one color model so krita is
compatible to photoshop and gimp (i also included the "Grain Merge" and
"Grain Extract" modes for this reason).
If you want to know the advantages and disatvantages of HSL and HSV
please read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSL_and_HSV#Disadvantages
Photoshop uses the HSL luma variant.
And as far as i know gimp uses HSV (but please correct me if i'm wrong
and give me some feedback how gimp2.6 is doing it :D)
On 01/29/2011 10:41 AM, David REVOY wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just to react on this :
>> and "Color" modes work exactly as in Photoshop
> Just to inform the way 'color mode' works in Gimp 2.6 is superior to
> the 'color mode' of Photoshop ( till Cs2 for sure ).
> This can be tested & seen with comparing the same file open like this :
> http://www.davidrevoy.com/XYZ/color-mode_test_GIMP-net.jpg
> http://www.davidrevoy.com/XYZ/color-mode_test_TOSHOP-net.jpg
> useless to say that Gimp color mode is far superior for artist than
> Photoshop. I understand the photoshop one should be proposed for
> compatibility, but for efficiency ; please don't omit one like Gimp. I
> couldn't try it with Krita , btw*
>
> The PSD file if you need to test ( this file can be considered as
> 'public domain' if you need it ) :
> http://www.davidrevoy.com/XYZ/color-mode_test.psd.zip
> ;-)
>
> -David
> ( PS : can't compile since Git or install 2.3 threw PPA , as i'm Lucid
> Lynx LTS user not Maverick ...so I wait kubuntu backport to post the
> bin for Lucid 64bit )
>
> On 01/28/2011 10:52 PM, Sven Langkamp wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Silvio Heinrich <plassy@web.de
>> <mailto:plassy@web.de>> wrote:
>>
>> Phew... I think I've gone a bit mad with the blending modes :D.
>> I added a few. When counting everything together there should be
>> nearly 40 compositing modes now.
>> All modes should trait partly transparent layers as Photoshop is
>> doing it and all modes should
>> respect the channel flags.
>> But there are two problems with this patch:
>>
>> 1. I used a pretty generic approach. So it relies on the compiler
>> to do proper inlining. And i didn't use the optimized multiply
>> functions. I had a few problems with those functions, because it
>> seems the give no correct results but approximations. So I still
>> need to check out which composite modes will work with the
>> optimized functions. I just want to say that it could be that
>> this is a bit/much slower then the current implementation (i
>> don't know how much time you spend in optimizing this).
>> I personally haven't noticed any speed impact but I've got a 3GHz
>> quad core, so i think i will be the last
>> who will notice this.
>>
>> 2. The "Hue" and "Saturation" modes are not working correctly but
>> the "Luminosity" and "Color" modes work exactly as in Photoshop.
>> I coded the algorithms after the ISO 3200-1 spec. Adobe released
>> the texts they gave to the ISO committee for specification. You
>> can find them here:
>> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/pdf.html
>> http://www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/devnet/acrobat/pdfs/PDF32000_2008.pdf
>> (direct link)
>>
>> go to the category "Transparency" -> "Basic Composition
>> Computations". This spec is of course for PDFs but it seems that
>> Photoshop uses the same formulas.
>> Since "Luminosity" and "Color" modes are working i think i made
>> some mistake in implementing the
>> "setSat" function (on page 327). Maybe someone else has an
>> enlightenment, because I'm working in the dark right now :D.
>>
>> But apart from this two problems everything else should work
>> fine (hopefully).
>>
>>
>>
>> I tried to build the branch but I get this error:
>> Linking CXX shared library ../../lib/libpigmentcms.so
>> CMakeFiles/pigmentcms.dir/colorspaces/KoLabColorSpace.o: In function
>> `unsigned short cfVividLight<unsigned short>(unsigned short, unsigned
>> short)':
>> KoLabColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfVividLightItET_S0_S0_[unsigned short
>> cfVividLight<unsigned short>(unsigned short, unsigned short)]+0x31):
>> undefined reference to `KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned
>> short>::unitValue'
>> KoLabColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfVividLightItET_S0_S0_[unsigned short
>> cfVividLight<unsigned short>(unsigned short, unsigned short)]+0x3d):
>> undefined reference to `KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned
>> short>::zeroValue'
>> KoLabColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfVividLightItET_S0_S0_[unsigned short
>> cfVividLight<unsigned short>(unsigned short, unsigned short)]+0xb3):
>> undefined reference to `KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned
>> short>::zeroValue'
>> KoLabColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfVividLightItET_S0_S0_[unsigned short
>> cfVividLight<unsigned short>(unsigned short, unsigned short)]+0xbf):
>> undefined reference to `KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned
>> short>::unitValue'
>> CMakeFiles/pigmentcms.dir/colorspaces/KoLabColorSpace.o: In function
>> `unsigned short cfDivide<unsigned short>(unsigned short, unsigned
>> short)':
>> KoLabColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z8cfDivideItET_S0_S0_[unsigned short
>> cfDivide<unsigned short>(unsigned short, unsigned short)]+0x25):
>> undefined reference to `KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned
>> short>::zeroValue'
>> KoLabColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z8cfDivideItET_S0_S0_[unsigned short
>> cfDivide<unsigned short>(unsigned short, unsigned short)]+0x31):
>> undefined reference to `KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned
>> short>::unitValue'
>> CMakeFiles/pigmentcms.dir/colorspaces/KoLabColorSpace.o: In function
>> `unsigned short cfArcTangent<unsigned short>(unsigned short, unsigned
>> short)':
>> KoLabColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfArcTangentItET_S0_S0_[unsigned short
>> cfArcTangent<unsigned short>(unsigned short, unsigned short)]+0x25):
>> undefined reference to `KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned
>> short>::zeroValue'
>> KoLabColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfArcTangentItET_S0_S0_[unsigned short
>> cfArcTangent<unsigned short>(unsigned short, unsigned short)]+0x31):
>> undefined reference to `KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned
>> short>::unitValue'
>> CMakeFiles/pigmentcms.dir/colorspaces/KoRgbU8ColorSpace.o: In
>> function `unsigned char cfVividLight<unsigned char>(unsigned char,
>> unsigned char)':
>> KoRgbU8ColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfVividLightIhET_S0_S0_[unsigned
>> char cfVividLight<unsigned char>(unsigned char, unsigned
>> char)]+0x27): undefined reference to
>> `KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned char>::unitValue'
>> KoRgbU8ColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfVividLightIhET_S0_S0_[unsigned
>> char cfVividLight<unsigned char>(unsigned char, unsigned
>> char)]+0x33): undefined reference to
>> `KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned char>::zeroValue'
>> KoRgbU8ColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfVividLightIhET_S0_S0_[unsigned
>> char cfVividLight<unsigned char>(unsigned char, unsigned
>> char)]+0x97): undefined reference to
>> `KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned char>::zeroValue'
>> KoRgbU8ColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfVividLightIhET_S0_S0_[unsigned
>> char cfVividLight<unsigned char>(unsigned char, unsigned
>> char)]+0xa3): undefined reference to
>> `KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned char>::unitValue'
>> CMakeFiles/pigmentcms.dir/colorspaces/KoRgbU8ColorSpace.o: In
>> function `unsigned char cfDivide<unsigned char>(unsigned char,
>> unsigned char)':
>> KoRgbU8ColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z8cfDivideIhET_S0_S0_[unsigned char
>> cfDivide<unsigned char>(unsigned char, unsigned char)]+0x21):
>> undefined reference to `KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned
>> char>::zeroValue'
>> KoRgbU8ColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z8cfDivideIhET_S0_S0_[unsigned char
>> cfDivide<unsigned char>(unsigned char, unsigned char)]+0x2d):
>> undefined reference to `KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned
>> char>::unitValue'
>> CMakeFiles/pigmentcms.dir/colorspaces/KoRgbU8ColorSpace.o: In
>> function `unsigned char cfArcTangent<unsigned char>(unsigned char,
>> unsigned char)':
>> KoRgbU8ColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfArcTangentIhET_S0_S0_[unsigned
>> char cfArcTangent<unsigned char>(unsigned char, unsigned
>> char)]+0x21): undefined reference to
>> `KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned char>::zeroValue'
>> KoRgbU8ColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfArcTangentIhET_S0_S0_[unsigned
>> char cfArcTangent<unsigned char>(unsigned char, unsigned
>> char)]+0x2d): undefined reference to
>> `KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned char>::unitValue'
>> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>> make[2]: *** [lib/libpigmentcms.so.8.0.0] Fehler 1
>> make[1]: *** [libs/pigment/CMakeFiles/pigmentcms.dir/all] Fehler 2
>> make: *** [all] Fehler 2
>>
>>
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Hmm.. ok. I don't know what color model gimp exactly uses for this
but i thought gimp uses HSV.<br>
It would be nice if you could tell me more about the way how gimp
does it (of course only if you know).<br>
But if gimp really uses just HSV then it is not really superior.
It's just a matter what you want to do in which way.<br>
I paint myself (and i'm not too bad i would say :D) and for me the
photoshop way is working much better.<br>
It was not my intend to simply remove something. The other color
mode is still there it's just not in the list.<br>
I actually planed to support more then one color model so krita is
compatible to photoshop and gimp (i also included the "Grain Merge"
and "Grain Extract" modes for this reason).<br>
If you want to know the advantages and disatvantages of HSL and HSV
please read this:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" \
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSL_and_HSV#Disadvantages">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSL_and_HSV#Disadvantages</a><br>
Photoshop uses the HSL luma variant.<br>
And as far as i know gimp uses HSV (but please correct me if i'm
wrong and give me some feedback how gimp2.6 is doing it :D)<br>
On 01/29/2011 10:41 AM, David REVOY wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:4D43E0CE.6020001@gmail.com" type="cite">
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Hi,<br>
<br>
Just to react on this :<br>
<blockquote type="cite">and "Color" modes work exactly as in
Photoshop</blockquote>
Just to inform the way 'color mode' works in Gimp 2.6 is superior
to the 'color mode' of Photoshop ( till Cs2 for sure ).<br>
This can be tested & seen with comparing the same file open
like this :<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.davidrevoy.com/XYZ/color-mode_test_GIMP-net.jpg">http://www.davidrevoy.com/XYZ/color-mode_test_GIMP-net.jpg</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.davidrevoy.com/XYZ/color-mode_test_TOSHOP-net.jpg">http://www.davidrevoy.com/XYZ/color-mode_test_TOSHOP-net.jpg</a><br>
useless to say that Gimp color mode is far superior for artist
than Photoshop. I understand the photoshop one should be proposed
for compatibility, but for efficiency ; please don't omit one like
Gimp. I couldn't try it with Krita , btw*<br>
<br>
The PSD file if you need to test ( this file can be considered as
'public domain' if you need it ) :<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.davidrevoy.com/XYZ/color-mode_test.psd.zip">http://www.davidrevoy.com/XYZ/color-mode_test.psd.zip</a><br>
;-)<br>
<br>
-David<br>
( PS : can't compile since Git or install 2.3 threw PPA , as i'm
Lucid Lynx LTS user not Maverick ...so I wait kubuntu backport to
post the bin for Lucid 64bit )<br>
<br>
On 01/28/2011 10:52 PM, Sven Langkamp wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:AANLkTimV1y2uESivXC-PBHcX_9+zpSpC=w2wBYKe1Z8Z@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:17 PM,
Silvio Heinrich <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:plassy@web.de">plassy@web.de</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
padding-left: 1ex;">
<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Phew... I think I've
gone a bit mad with the blending modes :D.<br>
I added a few. When counting everything together there
should be nearly 40 compositing modes now.<br>
All modes should trait partly transparent layers as
Photoshop is doing it and all modes should<br>
respect the channel flags.<br>
But there are two problems with this patch:<br>
<br>
1. I used a pretty generic approach. So it relies on the
compiler to do proper inlining. And i didn't use the
optimized multiply functions. I had a few problems with
those functions, because it seems the give no correct
results but approximations. So I still need to check out
which composite modes will work with the optimized
functions. I just want to say that it could be that this
is a bit/much slower then the current implementation (i
don't know how much time you spend in optimizing this).<br>
I personally haven't noticed any speed impact but I've got
a 3GHz quad core, so i think i will be the last<br>
who will notice this.<br>
<br>
2. The "Hue" and "Saturation" modes are not working
correctly but the "Luminosity" and "Color" modes work
exactly as in Photoshop. I coded the algorithms after the
ISO 3200-1 spec. Adobe released the texts they gave to the
ISO committee for specification. You can find them here:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.adobe.com/devnet/pdf.html"
target="_blank">http://www.adobe.com/devnet/pdf.html</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/devnet/acrobat/pdfs/PDF32000_2008.pdf"
target="_blank">http://www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/devnet/acrobat/pdfs/PDF32000_2008.pdf</a>
(direct link)<br>
<br>
go to the category "Transparency" -> "Basic Composition
Computations". This spec is of course for PDFs but it
seems that Photoshop uses the same formulas.<br>
Since "Luminosity" and "Color" modes are working i think i
made some mistake in implementing the<br>
"setSat" function (on page 327). Maybe someone else has an
enlightenment, because I'm working in the dark right now
:D.<br>
<br>
But apart from this two problems everything else should
work fine (hopefully).<span style="border-collapse:
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font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant:
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font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px;"></span></span> </div>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
I tried to build the branch but I get this error:<br>
Linking CXX shared library
../../lib/libpigmentcms.so &nbs \
p; \
&n \
bsp; &nbs \
p; \
&n \
bsp; &nbs \
p; \
&n \
bsp;
<br>
CMakeFiles/pigmentcms.dir/colorspaces/KoLabColorSpace.o: In
function `unsigned short cfVividLight<unsigned
short>(unsigned short, unsigned
short)': &nbs \
p; \
\
<br> KoLabColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfVividLightItET_S0_S0_[unsigned
short cfVividLight<unsigned short>(unsigned short,
unsigned short)]+0x31): undefined reference to
`KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned short>::unitValue'<br>
KoLabColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfVividLightItET_S0_S0_[unsigned
short cfVividLight<unsigned short>(unsigned short,
unsigned short)]+0x3d): undefined reference to
`KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned short>::zeroValue'<br>
KoLabColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfVividLightItET_S0_S0_[unsigned
short cfVividLight<unsigned short>(unsigned short,
unsigned short)]+0xb3): undefined reference to
`KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned short>::zeroValue'<br>
KoLabColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfVividLightItET_S0_S0_[unsigned
short cfVividLight<unsigned short>(unsigned short,
unsigned short)]+0xbf): undefined reference to
`KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned short>::unitValue'<br>
CMakeFiles/pigmentcms.dir/colorspaces/KoLabColorSpace.o: In
function `unsigned short cfDivide<unsigned short>(unsigned
short, unsigned short)':<br>
KoLabColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z8cfDivideItET_S0_S0_[unsigned short
cfDivide<unsigned short>(unsigned short, unsigned
short)]+0x25): undefined reference to
`KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned short>::zeroValue'<br>
KoLabColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z8cfDivideItET_S0_S0_[unsigned short
cfDivide<unsigned short>(unsigned short, unsigned
short)]+0x31): undefined reference to
`KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned short>::unitValue'<br>
CMakeFiles/pigmentcms.dir/colorspaces/KoLabColorSpace.o: In
function `unsigned short cfArcTangent<unsigned
short>(unsigned short, unsigned short)':<br>
KoLabColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfArcTangentItET_S0_S0_[unsigned
short cfArcTangent<unsigned short>(unsigned short,
unsigned short)]+0x25): undefined reference to
`KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned short>::zeroValue'<br>
KoLabColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfArcTangentItET_S0_S0_[unsigned
short cfArcTangent<unsigned short>(unsigned short,
unsigned short)]+0x31): undefined reference to
`KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned short>::unitValue'<br>
CMakeFiles/pigmentcms.dir/colorspaces/KoRgbU8ColorSpace.o: In
function `unsigned char cfVividLight<unsigned
char>(unsigned char, unsigned char)':<br>
KoRgbU8ColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfVividLightIhET_S0_S0_[unsigned
char cfVividLight<unsigned char>(unsigned char, unsigned
char)]+0x27): undefined reference to
`KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned char>::unitValue'<br>
KoRgbU8ColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfVividLightIhET_S0_S0_[unsigned
char cfVividLight<unsigned char>(unsigned char, unsigned
char)]+0x33): undefined reference to
`KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned char>::zeroValue'<br>
KoRgbU8ColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfVividLightIhET_S0_S0_[unsigned
char cfVividLight<unsigned char>(unsigned char, unsigned
char)]+0x97): undefined reference to
`KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned char>::zeroValue'<br>
KoRgbU8ColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfVividLightIhET_S0_S0_[unsigned
char cfVividLight<unsigned char>(unsigned char, unsigned
char)]+0xa3): undefined reference to
`KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned char>::unitValue'<br>
CMakeFiles/pigmentcms.dir/colorspaces/KoRgbU8ColorSpace.o: In
function `unsigned char cfDivide<unsigned char>(unsigned
char, unsigned char)':<br>
KoRgbU8ColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z8cfDivideIhET_S0_S0_[unsigned
char cfDivide<unsigned char>(unsigned char, unsigned
char)]+0x21): undefined reference to
`KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned char>::zeroValue'<br>
KoRgbU8ColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z8cfDivideIhET_S0_S0_[unsigned
char cfDivide<unsigned char>(unsigned char, unsigned
char)]+0x2d): undefined reference to
`KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned char>::unitValue'<br>
CMakeFiles/pigmentcms.dir/colorspaces/KoRgbU8ColorSpace.o: In
function `unsigned char cfArcTangent<unsigned
char>(unsigned char, unsigned char)':<br>
KoRgbU8ColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfArcTangentIhET_S0_S0_[unsigned
char cfArcTangent<unsigned char>(unsigned char, unsigned
char)]+0x21): undefined reference to
`KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned char>::zeroValue'<br>
KoRgbU8ColorSpace.cpp:(.text._Z12cfArcTangentIhET_S0_S0_[unsigned
char cfArcTangent<unsigned char>(unsigned char, unsigned
char)]+0x2d): undefined reference to
`KoColorSpaceMathsTraits<unsigned char>::unitValue'<br>
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status<br>
make[2]: *** [lib/libpigmentcms.so.8.0.0] Fehler 1<br>
make[1]: *** [libs/pigment/CMakeFiles/pigmentcms.dir/all] Fehler
2<br>
make: *** [all] Fehler 2<br>
<br>
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