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Subject: Re: Tool(box) organization
From: Sven Langkamp <sven.langkamp () gmail ! com>
Date: 2011-01-19 15:11:15
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On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Adam C. <nospam@xibo.at> wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:37:04 +0100, Boudewijn Rempt <boud@valdyas.org>
> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday 19 January 2011, Sven Langkamp wrote:
> >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Boudewijn Rempt <boud@valdyas.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wednesday 19 January 2011, Sven Langkamp wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > -put those tools at the bottom of the toolbox as proposed on
> >> > calligra-devel
> >> > >
> >> > > -cut some of the flake tools and put the functionality into the
> >> Krita
> >> > tools
> >> > > There are some tools that have very little value for Krita like the
> >> > > connection tool or filter effect tool (we can't save filters
> >> created by
> >> > > that).
> >> >
> >> > Hm.... why not, actually?
> >> >
> >>
> >> Shape layers are saved as ODF which doesn't support filter effects. In
> >> Karbon it's the same, filter effects are only saved to SVG and not to
> >> ODF.
> >>
> >
> > Sounds like we either need to save as svg -- or work with Jan to add
> > filters as a kind of private extension to ODG.
> >
> >>
> >> > > The path tool basically has the same stuff the Krita path tool has.
> >> > > That would leave five tools (Default, freehand, pattern, gradient,
> >> > > calligraphy).
> as far as i can see, you can't edit a path drawn by the krita path tool.
> imo this is a big drawback. currently we lack a possibility to draw a path
> with a paintop, right?
>
On shape layers a shape is inserted and that is editable. On paint layers it
it painted with the current paintop.
So nothing missing compared to the flake path tool.
> >> >
> >> > What I would prefer is have the tools with actual krita functionality
> >> > replace the flake tools but be in the same position. So the krita
> >> path tool
> >> > goes in the place of the flake path tool etc. That way, there's
> >> consistency
> >> > with the rest of the suite. Or that the flake tools get a kind of
> >> plugin
> >> > mechanism, which would mean our krita-specific functionality gets
> >> added to
> >> > the tool, and we don't need the krita tools
> >> anymore.<https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kimageshop>
> >> >
> this sounds very good to me. it would be also consistent with rect,
> ellipse, line.. tools.
>
> >>
> >> Default tool stays the same as it's used on both layer types.
> what's the use of default tool in pixel mode? as far as i can tell, the
> default tool selects shapes, so it should replace the pixel selection
> tools.
>
Can be used to edit vector selections.
> >> To be consistent to Krita the path and caligraphy tool would have to be
> >> paintops.
> why should the path tool be a paintop?
> i agree, that calligraphy should be, but i don't see a reasonable way to
> implement that. you would also have to implement presets for calligraphy,
> integrate it into paintop settings, switch layers, add flake to the
> paintop testing area.. probably it would need even some work on flake, but
> it would be definitely a cool feature (especially if it also works for
> karbon).
>
Sorry I meant freehand instead of path. Yes, it would be to be integrated
into the normal paintop setting and we also have to enhance the paintops and
the freehand tool.
Sharing with Karbon could be cool tool.
> >
> > Well, use paintops, I think.
> >
> >> Flake path tool is already obsolete, we just need the code to blacklist
> >> it.
> as already stated abouth, imo it's not true.
> >> Flake pattern and gradient tool don't really match to any Krita tool.
> the flake pattern and gradient tools don't work here in krita, but they
> have a mapping to krita gradient and fill tool. the usage is a little bit
> different though..
> >
> >
> >
> >
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Adam C. <span \
dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nospam@xibo.at">nospam@xibo.at</a>></span> \
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, \
204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:37:04 \
+0100, Boudewijn Rempt <<a \
href="mailto:boud@valdyas.org">boud@valdyas.org</a>><br> <div \
class="im">wrote:<br> <br>
> On Wednesday 19 January 2011, Sven Langkamp wrote:<br>
>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Boudewijn Rempt <<a \
href="mailto:boud@valdyas.org">boud@valdyas.org</a>><br> >> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> > On Wednesday 19 January 2011, Sven Langkamp wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > > -put those tools at the bottom of the toolbox as proposed on<br>
>> > calligra-devel<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > -cut some of the flake tools and put the functionality into \
the<br> >> Krita<br>
>> > tools<br>
>> > > There are some tools that have very little value for Krita like \
the<br> >> > > connection tool or filter effect tool (we can't save \
filters<br> >> created by<br>
>> > > that).<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Hm.... why not, actually?<br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
>> Shape layers are saved as ODF which doesn't support filter effects. \
In<br> >> Karbon it's the same, filter effects are only saved to SVG and \
not to<br> >> ODF.<br>
>><br>
><br>
> Sounds like we either need to save as svg -- or work with Jan to add<br>
> filters as a kind of private extension to ODG.<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> > > The path tool basically has the same stuff the Krita path tool \
has.<br> >> > > That would leave five tools (Default, freehand, pattern, \
gradient,<br> >> > > calligraphy).<br>
</div>as far as i can see, you can't edit a path drawn by the krita path \
tool.<br> imo this is a big drawback. currently we lack a possibility to draw a \
path<br> with a paintop, right?<br></blockquote><div><br>On shape layers a shape is \
inserted and that is editable. On paint layers it it painted with the current \
paintop.<br>So nothing missing compared to the flake path tool.<br> \
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, \
204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="im">>> \
><br> >> > What I would prefer is have the tools with actual krita \
functionality<br> >> > replace the flake tools but be in the same position. \
So the krita<br> >> path tool<br>
>> > goes in the place of the flake path tool etc. That way, there's<br>
>> consistency<br>
>> > with the rest of the suite. Or that the flake tools get a kind of<br>
>> plugin<br>
>> > mechanism, which would mean our krita-specific functionality gets<br>
>> added to<br>
>> > the tool, and we don't need the krita tools<br>
>> anymore.<<a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kimageshop" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kimageshop</a>><br> >> \
><br> </div>this sounds very good to me. it would be also consistent with \
rect,<br> ellipse, line.. tools.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
>><br>
>> Default tool stays the same as it's used on both layer types.<br>
</div>what's the use of default tool in pixel mode? as far as i can tell, the<br>
default tool selects shapes, so it should replace the pixel selection<br>
tools.<br><div class="im"></div></blockquote><div><br>Can be used to edit vector \
selections.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid \
rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="im">
>> To be consistent to Krita the path and caligraphy tool would have to be<br>
>> paintops.<br>
</div>why should the path tool be a paintop?<br>
i agree, that calligraphy should be, but i don't see a reasonable way to<br>
implement that. you would also have to implement presets for calligraphy,<br>
integrate it into paintop settings, switch layers, add flake to the<br>
paintop testing area.. probably it would need even some work on flake, but<br>
it would be definitely a cool feature (especially if it also works for<br>
karbon).<br><div class="im"></div></blockquote><div> <br>Sorry I meant freehand \
instead of path. Yes, it would be to be integrated into the normal paintop setting \
and we also have to enhance the paintops and the freehand tool.<br> Sharing with \
Karbon could be cool tool.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; \
padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im"> ><br>
> Well, use paintops, I think.<br>
><br>
>> Flake path tool is already obsolete, we just need the code to blacklist<br>
>> it.<br>
</div>as already stated abouth, imo it's not true.<br>
<div class="im">>> Flake pattern and gradient tool don't really match to \
any Krita tool.<br> </div>the flake pattern and gradient tools don't work here in \
krita, but they<br> have a mapping to krita gradient and fill tool. the usage is a \
little bit<br> different though..<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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