From kde-kimageshop Sun Oct 24 14:02:40 2010 From: Cyrille Berger Skott Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 14:02:40 +0000 To: kde-kimageshop Subject: Re: UI Improvement to the brush dialog Message-Id: <201010241602.40383.cberger () cberger ! net> X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-kimageshop&m=128792900920749 MIME-Version: 1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--===============1127291456==" --===============1127291456== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary-01=_AyDxMaesFViU6RL" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --Boundary-01=_AyDxMaesFViU6RL Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sunday 24 October 2010, LukasT.dev@gmail.com wrote: > > 1) Add a multiplier combobox to some of the KisSliderSpinBox. It would be > > seen as a combobox (with choice like x0.1 x1 x2 x10...). The idea is that > > sometime I work with small brush diameters, and it is difficult to select > > with precision the diameter, so I would restrict the diameter range to > > 0->10, and add a 1x, 10x and 100x multiplier. Similary for the scale of > > predefined brush, for now, we have the range 0->2, David wants to > > increase the maximum value, personnally I have the oposite problem, I > > have big brushes (~1000x1000) and I sometime want to scale them more > > than 0.01 (or with greater precision), so there I would change the range > > to 0->1 and have x0.1 x1 and x10 as multiplier. We could also use the > > multiplier idea for spacing. > > It seems to me from the mockup that it is element I don't like there. It > eats space of course. Would about hiding this into Configuration dialog? > I'm not sure how often you need to change from x1 -> x2 -> x10, but if it > is not very common, configuration would solve the problem with eating > space. For the size of predefined brush, it depends of the brush and especially of its original size. For the size of "auto brush" very often. It is not a setting that depends on your style of painting, but on what you want to draw next. Also while it takes space, it actually increase the precision of the slider. And I don't think I would want to go to krita settings to be able to switch between the 0->10 range and 0->100 range for brushes. > > 2) who knows what the value on the curves correspond too ? So we need > > axis legend. And rather than just values, I think we can be a little bit > > smarter. > > Yes, I already had that in my mind. Last time I was surprised about > opacity. It is 0 till 100 when pressure is in 0.0 - 0.5 and then it is > always 100 from 0.5 - 1.0 as it is thresholded. Same as for size, I remember someone on irc that was confused as to why size would go from 0 to 200%. I am not sure why it is so. > > For instance, for "size", I would indeed use values, > > maybe percents would be smart: like 200 % ok > > Not sure about mirror, I don't know what the curve does. > > If the pressure is in 0.0 - 0.5 , the mask is nor mirrored, if it is in 0.5 > - 1.0, it is mirrored. I was mapping Photoshop feature to sensor :) ok so "mirrored" "no mirrored" would do... but a bit long, so maybe an icon. Or a preview. > > And for softness > > (why don't we use the same word for softness and fade ?) > > I don't know why it is called fade in Krita. Softness/hardness is common in > painting apps, right? Because it is a fade :) Personnaly, I don't care for the name, I just want uniformity. > > we could have a > > circle brush that represent both extremeties. > > Not exactly sure, I would go for values here. It differs for softbrush > mask/fade mask (a.k.a default) ok. > > Same ideas for sensors legend, "pressure" would say "low pressure" / > > "high pressure" the angles would use the arrow icons mentioned above. > > For tilt we could show a pen and a paper with different angles. Not sure > > about time, distance, fade and fuzzy, maybe just use the values for > > them. > > I don't know here. Sensor legend is different from curve legend, right? yes, value is vertical legend, sensor is horizontal legend. -- Cyrille Berger Skott --Boundary-01=_AyDxMaesFViU6RL Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

On Sunday 24 October 2010, LukasT.dev@gmail.com wrote:

> > 1) Add a multiplier combobox to some of the KisSliderSpinBox. It would be

> > seen as a combobox (with choice like x0.1 x1 x2 x10...). The idea is that

> > sometime I work with small brush diameters, and it is difficult to select

> > with precision the diameter, so I would restrict the diameter range to

> > 0->10, and add a 1x, 10x and 100x multiplier. Similary for the scale of

> > predefined brush, for now, we have the range 0->2, David wants to

> > increase the maximum value, personnally I have the oposite problem, I

> > have big brushes (~1000x1000) and I sometime want to scale them more

> > than 0.01 (or with greater precision), so there I would change the range

> > to 0->1 and have x0.1 x1 and x10 as multiplier. We could also use the

> > multiplier idea for spacing.

> It seems to me from the mockup that it is element I don't like there. It

> eats space of course. Would about hiding this into Configuration dialog?

> I'm not sure how often you need to change from x1 -> x2 -> x10, but if it

> is not very common, configuration would solve the problem with eating

> space.

For the size of predefined brush, it depends of the brush and especially of its original size. For the size of "auto brush" very often. It is not a setting that depends on your style of painting, but on what you want to draw next.

Also while it takes space, it actually increase the precision of the slider. And I don't think I would want to go to krita settings to be able to switch between the 0->10 range and 0->100 range for brushes.

> > 2) who knows what the value on the curves correspond too ? So we need

> > axis legend. And rather than just values, I think we can be a little bit

> > smarter.

> Yes, I already had that in my mind. Last time I was surprised about

> opacity. It is 0 till 100 when pressure is in 0.0 - 0.5 and then it is

> always 100 from 0.5 - 1.0 as it is thresholded.

Same as for size, I remember someone on irc that was confused as to why size would go from 0 to 200%. I am not sure why it is so.

> > For instance, for "size", I would indeed use values,

> maybe percents would be smart: like 200 %

> > Not sure about mirror, I don't know what the curve does.

> If the pressure is in 0.0 - 0.5 , the mask is nor mirrored, if it is in 0.5

> - 1.0, it is mirrored. I was mapping Photoshop feature to sensor :)

ok so "mirrored" "no mirrored" would do... but a bit long, so maybe an icon. Or a preview.

> > And for softness

> > (why don't we use the same word for softness and fade ?)

> I don't know why it is called fade in Krita. Softness/hardness is common in

> painting apps, right?

Because it is a fade :) Personnaly, I don't care for the name, I just want uniformity.

> > we could have a

> > circle brush that represent both extremeties.

> Not exactly sure, I would go for values here. It differs for softbrush

> mask/fade mask (a.k.a default)

ok.

> > Same ideas for sensors legend, "pressure" would say "low pressure" /

> > "high pressure" the angles would use the arrow icons mentioned above.

> > For tilt we could show a pen and a paper with different angles. Not sure

> > about time, distance, fade and fuzzy, maybe just use the values for

> > them.

> I don't know here. Sensor legend is different from curve legend, right?

yes, value is vertical legend, sensor is horizontal legend.

Cyrille Berger Skott

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