From kde-kimageshop Fri Nov 16 02:01:19 2007 From: Valerie VK Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 02:01:19 +0000 To: kde-kimageshop Subject: Re: Brush spacing / rotate / scale Message-Id: <233320.43821.qm () web39612 ! mail ! mud ! yahoo ! com> X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-kimageshop&m=119517851911309 (aww, I miss all the fun because of timezone differences) I see Matthew! You were talking about lines all along! I was talking about paths. Thanks for clearing up the confusion. :-) It seems that this point has been cleared up. So... The developers agree: - to make "live" updates of the line tool - to assign "straight line" to the shift key? (just keeping track) Also, if I understand correctly: 1. Unlike Photoshop and the current Gimp, paths won't be 'global objects' (never did like that anyway), but appear on a vector layer. Optional: They can stay there as stand alone objects, or eventually be dragged along while pressing "space" to leave raster outlines Or fills (thanks Matthew! Forgot about that one). Maybe eventually, it can leave such operations on a mask layer too? 2. Some are considering combining the "round" and "rectangle" brushes. -- On combining the "round" and "rectangle" brushes -- I'm actually wondering if this is a good idea: just like we keep the ellipse and rectangle tools separate, keeping round and rectangle separate may have its own benefits. This is especially true if Krita adds operations to these tools like in Gimp, such as increasing the number of sides for rectangle/ polygon, etc. Of course, Those commands could be grouped too, but why? If I've made a polygon or a star brush, I'm not sure I'd want to discard the setting completely to change it into a round brush, especially given how often people use the round brush. There's also a difference in parameters: Round brush depends on x radius, y radius and angle. Rectangle depends on x, y and angle. Visually, it's slightly different. Though... rectangle and "diamond", as that one is called, Could be combined. Visually, you can drag between segments to create the inward angle. When you drag too much outwards, it becomes a polygon and stays that way. Bah, needs mock-ups. Glad to hear that you'd have rounded rectangles though! -- On shapes and paint tools: -- I would like to say though that like others, I also see the benefit of having separate shapes tools. Getting shapes done in Gimp is pretty annoying, and I kind of Don' t like having to dig up Gfig. Also, these shapes are especially reassuring for new users. Just watch the new user scratch his head then go :-( when he realizes that there's no insanely easy way of drawing a rectangle in Gimp. I know I did that. :P Some of use resent having to make a rectangle select First then "border" it then "fill" then "deselect." HOWEVER, I'd like to raise my hand to the idea of perhaps making sections of the tool bar collapsible, or to make it editable in hiding tools like Gimp 2.0 does. The idea is that you can then hide the tools you don't need, such as selection and transformation tools when painting, and instead have a custom section where you can drag and drop custom brush settings, which can be useful when you have a multitude of paint brush settings you'd like to be able to access quickly. -On combining vector and raster using nodes- For me, the difference between the two is: - raster is just a big blob of WYSIWYG paint (from my point of view) on the canvas, and you can paint over it, erase it, whatever, without having to think about how the individual "nodes" get affected (or if they get affected at all) - vectors are shapes I Know I'd want to modify later on. And if you want to know why I like to keep them Separate, just open Inkscape and accumulate a whole bunch of hairs, scales or other details on an old computer (mine's nearly 6-years-old. I Really need to change it :-( The screen is all yellow too), and watch as: 1. It slows to a crawl (it currently slows to a crawl with the text tool too, which apparently gets rendered as a very complicated path :-( )and 2. Selecting those individual hairs start to get reeeeal annoying after a while, especially if they're all bunched up. In short, in the case of raster, I don't Want super-editability. What's done is done, when I have 5000 strokes on the canvas, if I want to change stroke #3213, I'll just have to do it the hard way: erase that section and redraw. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ _______________________________________________ kimageshop mailing list kimageshop@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kimageshop