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On Wednesday 30 August 2006 14:32, Alan Horkan wrote:

> Glad you said that.  It is very hard to please everyone/anyone with Zoom
> shortcuts and you invariably need to have more than two.
>
> > - no "press down - pan around"-key (e.g. MMB in GIMP)
> >
> > >   makes pan take more actions than optimal
> > >   ("drag with MMB" vs. "space down&up, LMB drag, space down&up.")
> >
> > We might want to dedicate MMB to this, but that should be coordinated
> > with the
> > other apps in KOffice, for consistency's sake. (I tried to do what
> > Photoshop
> > did, spacebar down, LMB drag, spacebar up, but Qt fought me all the way=
!)
>
> I would be very careful about copying features like that.  There have been
> users requesting spacebar panning for quite a while and is very likely the
> GIMP will adopt it eventually.  Keep in mind tablet users and others who
> dont have a mouse let alone a middle mouse button (MMB) so even if it was
> implemented this way alternatives would need to be provided.

Currently we don't do the spacebar thing really well, since you need to pre=
ss=20
the spacebar a second time. Some time in the future, I'll investigate wheht=
er=20
Qt4 makes that easier. And we could add the MMB thing, since it would be=20
redundant but handy for the people who are used to it.=20

> If Krita (and Karbon) supported switching between multiple different set =
of
> keybindings I might be interested to put together a set of Photoshop style
> keybindings for Krita as well as revisiting my previous attemtps at nudgi=
ng
> the defaults further in that direction as much as possible.

I've raised that point on kde-core devel. It seems to me that a simple=20
combobox in the settings/shortcuts dialog would do ui-wise, but I haven't g=
ot=20
a clue about what's needed for the backend. Maybe just and extension of the=
=20
rc files we use to define shortcuts.

> I recently helped add sets of keybindings in the style of Adobe Illustrat=
or
> and Macromedia Freehand to Inkscape.  It is somewhat tedious work and mig=
ht
> take a while but I work I would be willing to do the same to help out Kri=
ta
> and Karbon if I thought there would be someone interested in providing the
> necessary graphical interface for switching between full sets of
> keybindings.

There is interest, but don't start work until we know we can do the=20
gui/backend bit.

> hmm.  "layer palette has lots of free space" not sure I agree with that.
> feels about right to me, putting in a drop down for layer types would use
> up more space and make things even more cramped
> (i prefer smaller displays with higher resolutions, I expect you have a
> desktop size far in excess of 1024x768)

I've got 1680 * 1050, and I feel very cramped at times :-).

<... about the layers dialog ...>

Interesting points: thanks for the information. I'll be taking it into acco=
unt=20
in my ruminations. For now, I'm tending towards

menu: show dialog (menu's are essentially the beginner mode of user interfa=
ces=20
according to About Face.
button: create silently
shortcut: show dialog
other shortcut: create silently

In any case, since layers don't have a size in Krita, the dialog is much le=
ss=20
useful than in the Gimp. It doesn't often happen that you want a layer with=
 a=20
different colorspace than your image, and if you want to change the layer=20
opacity, the slider is right in your face. I'm not sure if the new layer bo=
x=20
supports in-place editing of the layer name?

> (* techincally it did but it was buried in a context menu of the layers
> dialog with a shortcut that only worked when that dialog was in focus)
>
> I understand the Krita developers may want to do thing entirely different=
ly
> but hopefully then can take all issues into account and make an informed
> decision.

Thanks for your input!

=2D-=20
Boudewijn Rempt=20
http://www.valdyas.org/fading/index.cgi

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