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List:       kde-i18n-it
Subject:    Re: Open letter from KDE Italia staff members
From:       Giovanni Venturi <jumpyj () tiscali ! it>
Date:       2007-05-27 20:35:58
Message-ID: 200705272235.58186.jumpyj () tiscali ! it
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Alle domenica 27 maggio 2007, Gianluca Varisco ha scritto:
> Nicola Ruggero ha scritto:
> > May be it was not clear in the letter. We are happy to partecipate to a
> > meeting discussing the future of KDE Italia, ideas, proposals and surely
> > the community issue that exists. Our common aim, of course, is to have a
> > solid community to spread and support KDE in our country. Simply we don't
> > like the way some people pointed the problems out. Maybe you don't know
> > exactly what happened in background, I will send to KDE e.V. members only
> > a little appendix to the letter whith a little summary of events.
> >
> > One more time, we are agree discussing ideas, community issues, etc. on a
> > IRC meeting as well (I think we have to establish a new date :) ) but we
> > would have preferred a more transparent behaviour from that people.
>
> First of all, a short introduction: KDE e.V was informed about
> community-related issues and about *ALL* of my ideas. So, nothing was
> omitted and e.V can confirm, without problems, this. So you don't need
> to send any summary of events.
>
Ideas? And you told them you started a Crusade War against me after I replyed 
you that your way of doing is not correct? You simply told me: "you are not 
good to do KDE Italia so you we replace you, so we are working on this by 9 
months, but if you want you can give help"... This means IN YOUR OPINION that 
the work of me and of the people helped me in this months (Nicola, Andrea, 
Luciano, Vincenzo, Luca, ...) was all time lost. And you confirmed this in the 
following emails... Oh yes. This means really to create the base for a 
successful collaboration. Of course the flame was created by you giangy boy. 
In the last 9 months I never got emails with proposals. Everyone has idea, 
but if there is not people that let become these ideas facts they stay just 
like void words. giangy boy you know perfectly about KDE Italia website 
because you told that KDE Italia spammed news on italian portals than you 
cannot say "I didn't know about you and KDE Italia website". This means that 
giangy boy doesn't want to help but just have his 5 minutes of fame and 
possibly years of fame.
> Riccardo has also tried to speak with Giovanni about KDE-IT and its
> future, unsuccessfully.
>
Really? Oh my good good God. Why you talk in place of Riccardo? Does he need 
your voice to say things? Riccardo wants more contents on the website and me 
too. But Riccardo says that I have to go away to let this happen. I don't see 
how this can be related. If a people contact me and say: "I want send you 
howtos, articles, ..." I say: "perfect we need help". I sent messages of help 
on the kde-i18n-it ml and directly to some specific IT translator and also in 
other places a lot of time but people replyed: "we don't have time" or simply 
didn't reply because they haven't time to reply at all. 
And this is not my fault. I can force no one to give help or say to them what 
to do of their spare time. If they don't help we cannot add more that what we 
have and if I'm the only one that go around sometimes to do KDE presentations 
because I am in the KDE Italia staff where is the problem? Why do you blame 
on me saying "Giovanni is KDE Italia"? I have to promote KDE, not myself. If 
other KDE Italia members give presentations I will say the KDE Italia is 
giving presentation where is that place.
No people wants to help means no new contents in the site. If you say I want 
to see HOWTOs on the website you can write the howto and send us so I add it 
to the CMS and add your name an you will be in our staff, or I can give the 
access directly to the CMS, but this doesn't happen. Do you let me know if 
this doesn't happen in which way we can add the new contents you and me 
wants? No one invented a software that you think a thing and this become 
material in the real world.
But Riccardo don't understand this. More simple to say: "you are the problem". 
So let me understand. I am the problem. Who wants to write for us and work in 
our team? Nobody?
> A more transparent behaviour was not possible, as KDE-IT.ORG and others
> members already know. Things aren't clear, and..anyway, before to
> register the organization I sent an e-mail to Giovanni, communicating
> him our actions and ideas. So, as expectable, the flame started.
>
Oh my good God. Giovanni is a bad boy. He is very very bad dude. I have not 
started the flame but I replyed you that you have not a really intention to 
help KDE Italia. You want to damage KDE community in all parts. Do you think 
Aaron and Sebas can waste time? Do you think that me and all the other 
persons want to waste their time?
You lost time to recover a domain like "kde.it" instead of give your energy 
for the kde-it.org and give your time to do things. You made 200 calls around 
the world to recover "kde.it". Wow. Cool. And you spent money and time to 
waste time? I registered kde-it.org in 1 minute. So I didn't lost time, money 
and energies. 200 calls? Well why don't you try to do 1000 next time?
> I would have preferred something different for spread KDE in Italy, so..
> with or without the name "KDE Italia" I think that we will do what we
> are planning (if isn't possible to work into an Italian project, I'll
> try to help 'upstream').
>
You can do all want you want because this is your really intentions. Where 
were you in the last 10 years when people started working on KDE? People more 
more more important that me that now you distract from KDE 4 development and 
promotions (see Aaron and Sebas). You stopped KDE Italia activities too. This 
always because you want to help. Sure. We belive you. LOL. Really. You are 
not a troll that disturb activities of people. You are good and Giovanni is 
not...

I want to have an IRC meeting but I gave the same form of respect to the 
people. So if you giangy boy respect me I respect you and I work with you, if 
you don't than I have not a good idea of you and surely we can't work 
together also because this is the giangy boy real plan. To work in a group 
you cannot start do not respecting people and blaming on them and acting in 
the background.

Ok, so let's go ahead... :)

According to Nicola possibilities and mine I am free for a IRC meeting on:
31/05 from 21:00 GMT+1
03/06 from 19:00 GMT+1
06/06 from 21:00 GMT+1

I cannot stay in IRC later than 22.30 GMT+1

Generally I can meet during the week except the Monday and the Wednesday from 
21:00 to 22:30, but not on Saturdays and Sundays.

Anyway my PROPOSE TO SOLVE THIS IS: who wants to give contributions says it 
and starting to send it (articles, howto, all-what-you-want) AT ONCE, 
STOPPING THIS UNUSEFUL SPAM EMAILS THREAD. I didn't reply till now because 
I'm very annoyed by all this unuseful chit-chats. Please don't waste other 
time. All proposal is really welcome. Facts no void words or misunderstanding 
or wanted misunderstanding.

Giovanni Venturi

P.S.: my signature says: KDE Italian website webmaster/sysadmin - 
http://www.kde-it.org/ because I started up the server configuration and the 
related CMS one choosing template, but also Andrea and Nicola I can confirm 
modifyed it later. When I write a signature than I let that for long time 
except the Linux kernel version and I don't change that in real time too.

-- 
A KDE Italian translator and KSniffer core developer
Slackware GNU/Linux current version - kernel 2.6.21.3
KDE Italia staff/sysadmin - http://www.kde-it.org/
KSniffer Website webmaster/sysadmin - http://www.ksniffer.org/
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