From kde-i18n-doc  Wed Sep 27 12:56:35 2000
From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tinkl_Luk=E1=B9?= <Lukas.Tinkl () merlin ! cz>
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:56:35 +0000
To: kde-i18n-doc
Subject: RE: koffice translations!!!
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> >> "Erik K. Pedersen" wrote:
> >> > 
> >> > I did the translations yesterday. I know I have translated 
> >> these before. Have
> >> > they been in kspread before, then taken out and put back 
> >> in? Hyperbolic tangent
> >> > does not appear in any other po-file, but I know I have 
> >> translated that before.
> >> Yes, they were in kspread before. But one message per 
> function, now we
> >> have about 6
> >> messages per function.
> >
> >No, I must disagree - it's not only about splitting lines. 
> >Right now, I'm translating kspread.po and I'm really shocked 
> why Torben had
> >to change the functions' examples too. Sometimes, the 
> example values changed
> >and even several completely new strings were added. 
> Moreover, I had to
> >correct each and every function, because kspread now uses a colon as
> >parameter separator and respects the locale. So I had to 
> translate all of
> >them according to our locale, including the thousands and 
> decimal separator.
> >:-((
> 
> This is some sort of a catch-22, isn't it ?
> Torben is so nice as to implement what many non-English users 
> asked: being
> able to enter numbers in kspread using their locale.
> Well, in many languages, it's the comma that is used for the 
> decimal point,
> and kspread used to use the comma for separating arguments 
> passed to a 
> koscript function call. But it can't be both, otherwise 
> myfunc(1,2,3) could 
> mean a lot of different things !
> So, as decided since quite a long time now, he fixes this, 
> turning the comma
> into a semicolon, which isn't a decimal point for anyone.
> Of course the examples had to be fixed ! It's pointless to 
> have examples, 
> otherwise.

Well, I was not complaining about fixing the bugs above, but pointing Coolo
to the fact, that this change didn't only mean splitting strings! Otherwise
I'm really grateful I can use kspread every day, believe me.

> I can understand the frustation due to the changes in the 
> messages, but when 
> the related fix _is_ a fix for non-English users, I think a 
> bit of reverse 
> understanding would be appropriate as well.

Yeah, exactly. But 90% of the changes made to kspread.po were *not* related
to bugfixing.

> On the whole, the timing for this KOffice hacking wasn't very 
> good, that's 
> for sure. But when a government offers to pay for a developer 
> & translator
> meeting session, you can't just say "good idea, but let's 
> wait for after 2.0, 
> we are in a freeze currently".

Agree, but please read the whole thread at kde-i18n-doc to get a feeling how
other translators feel - I'm *not* the only one complaining. 
See http://lists.kde.org/?t=96998723000002&w=2&r=1

Bye,
Lukas Tinkl