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Subject: Re: Hebrew plural forms
From: Yaron Shahrabani <sh.yaron () gmail ! com>
Date: 2023-10-14 20:37:21
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I'm really hoping we can find a way to pull this off, it'll require human
resources beyond our reach.
I can try and think about a way to do this automatically but I'm afraid it
won't be perfect.
Are there any examples of other languages that switched plural forms in KDE
along their history?
Thanks.
Yaron Shahrabani
<DevOps - Hebrew translator>
On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 10:44 AM Johnny Jazeix <jazeix@gmail.com> wrote:
> Le mar. 10 oct. 2023 Ã 09:38, Yaron Shahrabani <sh.yaron@gmail.com> a
> écrit :
> >
> > So what about my first question, it only applies to new submissions?
> >
>
> Hi,
> It is for all the files or none. We cannot change the plural forms for
> only some files.
>
> Cheers
> Johnny
>
> > On Sat, Oct 7, 2023, 01:35 Albert Astals Cid <aacid@kde.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> El divendres, 6 d'octubre de 2023, a les 22:33:21 (CEST), Yaron
> Shahrabani va
> >> escriure:
> >> > Hey, if it's only relevant for new submissions that's fine, applying
> that
> >> > to all current files will be very cumbersome.
> >> > Is there a way to accept both?
> >>
> >> All KDE files for a given language must have the same plural definition.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Albert
> >>
> >> > Yaron Shahrabani
> >> >
> >> > <DevOps - Hebrew translator>
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 11:17 PM Albert Astals Cid <aacid@kde.org>
> wrote:
> >> > > El dijous, 5 d'octubre de 2023, a les 20:27:44 (CEST), Yaron
> Shahrabani va
> >> > >
> >> > > escriure:
> >> > > > Over the last couple of days I ran into a problem where the
> gettext
> >> > > > files
> >> > > > I've submitted caused all sorts of issues with Scripty.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > KDE is still using the old plural form for Hebrew (2 cases):
> >> > > > "Plural-Forms: nplurals=2; plural=n != 1;\n"
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Several years ago this formula was changed to reflect some rare
> cases in
> >> > > > Hebrew.
> >> > > > The new official formula is:
> >> > > > "Plural-Forms: nplurals=4; plural=(n == 1) ? 0 : ((n == 2) ? 1 :
> ((n >
> >> > > > 10
> >> > > > && n % 10 == 0) ? 2 : 3));\n"
> >> > >
> >> > > > This is documented here:
> >> > >
> http://www.unicode.org/cldr/cldr-aux/charts/22/supplemental/language_plura
> >> > > l_>
> >> > > > rules.html
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I've been using this formula for several years now.
> >> > > > Some other projects implementing it:
> >> > > > Weblate, Transifex, Crowding, Poedit and many others.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Since the actual cases for using this formula are rare (time
> related
> >> > >
> >> > > terms
> >> > >
> >> > > > - hours, days, months, years, times) it's not always necessary to
> use it
> >> > >
> >> > > so
> >> > >
> >> > > > supporting the older formula in addition to the new one is
> definitely a
> >> > > > good option for now.
> >> > >
> >> > > We can change to the new formula, but that means invalidating all
> plurals
> >> > > that
> >> > > use the nplurals=2 formula, is that ok for you?
> >> > >
> >> > > Cheers,
> >> > >
> >> > > Albert
> >> > >
> >> > > > Thank you,
> >> > > > Yaron Shahrabani
> >> > > >
> >> > > > <DevOps - Hebrew translator>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" \
style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I'm really hoping we can find a way to pull \
this off, it'll require human resources beyond our reach.</div><div \
class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div \
class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">I can try and think about \
a way to do this automatically but I'm afraid it won't be perfect.</div><div \
class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Are there any examples of \
other languages that switched plural forms in KDE along their history?</div><div \
class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><div \
class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Thanks.<br \
clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" \
data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div \
dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:large"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><font \
color="#990000">Yaron</font></span><font color="#330000"><span \
style="font-family:georgia,serif"> <font size="4"><span style="font-family:times new \
roman,serif">Shahrabani</span></font></span></font></span><blockquote style="margin:0 \
0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><font color="#666666"><span \
style="font-size:x-small"><font color="#FF0000"><</font></span><font \
size="2"><span style="font-family:monospace">DevOps</span> - <span \
style="font-family:garamond,serif">Hebrew translator</span></font><span \
style="font-size:x-small"><font \
color="#FF0000">></font></span></font></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at \
10:44 AM Johnny Jazeix <<a \
href="mailto:jazeix@gmail.com">jazeix@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Le mar. 10 oct. 2023 Ã 09:38, Yaron Shahrabani \
<<a href="mailto:sh.yaron@gmail.com" target="_blank">sh.yaron@gmail.com</a>> a \
écrit :<br> ><br>
> So what about my first question, it only applies to new submissions?<br>
><br>
<br>
Hi,<br>
It is for all the files or none. We cannot change the plural forms for<br>
only some files.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
Johnny<br>
<br>
> On Sat, Oct 7, 2023, 01:35 Albert Astals Cid <<a href="mailto:aacid@kde.org" \
target="_blank">aacid@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br> >><br>
>> El divendres, 6 d'octubre de 2023, a les 22:33:21 (CEST), Yaron Shahrabani \
va<br> >> escriure:<br>
>> > Hey, if it's only relevant for new submissions that's fine, \
applying that<br> >> > to all current files will be very cumbersome.<br>
>> > Is there a way to accept both?<br>
>><br>
>> All KDE files for a given language must have the same plural definition.<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>> Albert<br>
>><br>
>> > Yaron Shahrabani<br>
>> ><br>
>> > <DevOps - Hebrew translator><br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 11:17 PM Albert Astals Cid <<a \
href="mailto:aacid@kde.org" target="_blank">aacid@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br> >> \
> > El dijous, 5 d'octubre de 2023, a les 20:27:44 (CEST), Yaron Shahrabani \
va<br> >> > ><br>
>> > > escriure:<br>
>> > > > Over the last couple of days I ran into a problem where the \
gettext<br> >> > > > files<br>
>> > > > I've submitted caused all sorts of issues with \
Scripty.<br> >> > > ><br>
>> > > > KDE is still using the old plural form for Hebrew (2 \
cases):<br> >> > > > "Plural-Forms: nplurals=2; plural=n != \
1;\n"<br> >> > > ><br>
>> > > > Several years ago this formula was changed to reflect some \
rare cases in<br> >> > > > Hebrew.<br>
>> > > > The new official formula is:<br>
>> > > > "Plural-Forms: nplurals=4; plural=(n == 1) ? 0 : ((n == \
2) ? 1 : ((n ><br> >> > > > 10<br>
>> > > > && n % 10 == 0) ? 2 : 3));\n"<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > > This is documented here:<br>
>> > > <a \
href="http://www.unicode.org/cldr/cldr-aux/charts/22/supplemental/language_plura" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.unicode.org/cldr/cldr-aux/charts/22/supplemental/language_plura</a><br>
>> > > l_><br>
>> > > > rules.html<br>
>> > > ><br>
>> > > > I've been using this formula for several years now.<br>
>> > > > Some other projects implementing it:<br>
>> > > > Weblate, Transifex, Crowding, Poedit and many others.<br>
>> > > ><br>
>> > > > Since the actual cases for using this formula are rare (time \
related<br> >> > ><br>
>> > > terms<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > > - hours, days, months, years, times) it's not always \
necessary to use it<br> >> > ><br>
>> > > so<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > > supporting the older formula in addition to the new one is \
definitely a<br> >> > > > good option for now.<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > We can change to the new formula, but that means invalidating all \
plurals<br> >> > > that<br>
>> > > use the nplurals=2 formula, is that ok for you?<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > Cheers,<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > Albert<br>
>> > ><br>
>> > > > Thank you,<br>
>> > > > Yaron Shahrabani<br>
>> > > ><br>
>> > > > <DevOps - Hebrew translator><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
</blockquote></div>
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