From kde-i18n-doc  Mon Oct 19 16:45:56 2009
From: annemarie.mahfouf () free ! fr
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:45:56 +0000
To: kde-i18n-doc
Subject: Re: Why does kde-i18n-doc translate outdated documentation?
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Hi all,

Cornelius sent a mail recently to the doc mailing list to suggest a meeting. The documentation team is currently very thin but this is an opportunity to revive it. 
http://www.nabble.com/KDE-documentation-team-to25838565.html
The situation with userbase should be also clarified. What about users without an internet connection? How do other users find about this doc? This needs to be thought over.
I´ll CC the doc team about this.
What I suggest: it would be nice to have at least 1 active translator at the doc meeting, more if some also want to be a connection between docs and translations. When the meeting details are settled, make sure this list is CCed so you can add your point of view.

Best regards,

Anne-Marie
(currently in Brazil until 2nd November)

----- Mail Original -----
De: "Yuri Chornoivan" <yurchor@ukr.net>
À: "KDE i18n-doc" <kde-i18n-doc@kde.org>
Envoyé: Lundi 19 Octobre 2009 14h19:06 (GMT-0300) Auto-Detected
Objet: Re: Why does kde-i18n-doc translate outdated documentation?

Hie

На Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:56:36 +0300, Burkhard Lück <lueck@hube-lueck.de>  
написав:

> Hi translators,
>
> To proof this, the result of a quick and dirty update of the english  
> docbook:
>
> $ svn diff kdepim/doc/ktimetracker/index.docbook |diffstat
>  index.docbook |  231
> ++++++++++------------------------------------------------
>  1 file changed, 41 insertions(+), 190 deletions(-)
>
> No bugreport!
>
> No mail to kde-doc-english!
>
> No mail to this list!
>
> The same happend with several hundred docbooks in the last years.
>
> A really really serious question:
>
> Why does this happen?
> What is going wrong here?
>
> <rant>
> I can not understand that kde-i18n-doc translates silently every nonsens
> documentation, no bugreport, no mail, nothing :-(
> </rant>
>

<ironically>
Yesterday author of this beautiful program told us on IRC that

<quote>
my vision is that I draw ktimetracker's help from userbase.
</quote>

http://userbase.kde.org/Ktimetracker

Now it is a dozen of sentences with 5 screenshots. Author thinks that this  
is enough.
</ironically>

I was also told that userbase team has a vision that docbooks have no  
future and they are ready to replace them by the wiki.

It will be nice to clear up the situation.

Truly speaking, most of the docs are in a similar state. We have to  
correct them all, but have no time: when I join the team there were ~98000  
messages in GUI. Now we have 162000. Shame on me, but sometimes it feels  
like better close my eyes and continue to translate. Sorry.

P.S. What about translation-howto? R.I.P.?