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Subject: More about the piedmontese language
From: <bertodsera () e-opinion ! info>
Date: 2005-05-27 9:27:17
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Hi all!
Just writing to confirm that Piedmotese speaker do exist, although I am not sure how \
many of us are using open source programs (I guess this could be an issue for most \
small languages).
I do not want to fight with the Italians. Everyone is free to think what he wants, on \
this subject. As linguists say “a language is a dialect with an army, a flag and a \
fleet”. Besides, when I lived in Italy I had lots of Italian friends, and used \
Italian myself, although I never considered it my "native" language, still, I never \
had hatred for anyone just because they use another language. Usually people can be \
hated for much more practical reasons :)
It should be noted that the movement for the restoration of our mother language has \
nothing to do with politics. People of all ideological positions work for it, as we \
all consider it "our language", and that consideration comes before any political \
color whatsoever. Also, an interesting percentage of Piedmontese speakers does not \
live in Italy at all, including myself. Many of us live in Argentina, and I \
personally exchange mail in Piedmontese even with people living in Kazakhstan. We \
obviously have no interest whatsoever in the internal Italian affairs. It's a matter \
of physical distance. The only claim I could possibly present to the Italian \
government is to have my name and surname restored into my own mother language and \
alphabet, instead of being forced to use the Italian translation for them. But that's \
all.
I wish to add that we do have grammars, dictionaries (both published since the XVIII \
century), a grammatical corrector for Word, a literature dating back to the XI \
century. Today we publish magazines in the Piedmontese language and the language is \
finally going to be taught in public schools aside with Italian, beginning from the \
next year. So having more IT instruments in Piedmontese would definitely be a plus, \
and it could possibly lead to help to diffuse open source programs in the Piedmontese \
schools (especially because they are free and schools, as always, chronically lack \
funding). Personally I'd very grateful for a Piedmontese edition myself, since I am \
teaching Piedmontese to my kids (and not Italian, we live abroad so there's no need \
for it). Besides, I use the language myself even for commercial correspondence.
The basic problem we Piedmontese speakers are left with is the absence of a keyboard \
for our alphabet. If anyone could point me to some resources, for us to make a \
Piedmontese keyboard I'd be very grateful to you all. At that point there would \
really be no choice for us Piedmontese speakers, apart from using open source \
programs
Mersi
Berto ‘d Sera
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Berto ‘d Sera - Giornalista indipendent
Posta eletronica: bertodsera@e-opinion.info albertoserra@ukr.net
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Telefono e fax: +38.044.513.16.75
Adressa: Ul. Bojchenko 12 k 51
02206 Kiev
Uńrain-a
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US">Just writing to confirm that Piedmotese speaker
do exist, although I am not sure how many of us are using open source programs
(I guess this could be an issue for most small languages).</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US">I do not want to fight with the Italians.
Everyone is free to think what he wants, on this subject. As linguists say
“a language is a dialect with an army, a flag and a fleet”. Besides, when I
lived in Italy I had lots of Italian friends, and used Italian myself, although
I never considered it my "native" language, still, I never had hatred for anyone
just because they use another language. Usually people can be hated for much
more practical reasons :) </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US">It should be noted that the movement
for the restoration of our mother language has nothing to do with politics.
People of all ideological positions work for it, as we all consider it "our
language", and that consideration comes before any political color whatsoever.
Also, an interesting percentage of Piedmontese speakers does not live in
Italy at all, including myself. Many of us live in Argentina, and I personally
exchange mail in Piedmontese even with people living in Kazakhstan. We obviously
have no interest whatsoever in the internal Italian affairs. It's a matter of
physical distance. The only claim I could possibly present to the Italian
government is to have my name and surname restored into my own mother language
and alphabet, instead of being forced to use the Italian translation for them.
But that's all.</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US">I wish to add that we do have
grammars, dictionaries (both published since the XVIII century), a grammatical
corrector for Word, a literature dating back to the XI century. Today
we publish magazines in the Piedmontese language and the language is
finally going to be taught in public schools aside with Italian, beginning from
the next year. So having more IT instruments in Piedmontese would definitely be
a plus, and it could possibly lead to help to diffuse open source programs in
the Piedmontese schools (especially because they are free and schools, as
always, chronically lack funding). Personally I'd very grateful for a
Piedmontese edition myself, since I am teaching Piedmontese to my kids (and not
Italian, we live abroad so there's no need for it). Besides, I use the
language myself even for commercial correspondence. </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"></SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US">The basic problem we Piedmontese speakers are
left with is the absence of a keyboard for our alphabet. If anyone could point
me to some resources, for us to make a Piedmontese keyboard I'd be very grateful
to you all. At that point there would really be no choice for us Piedmontese
speakers, apart from using open source programs</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV>Mersì</DIV>
<DIV>Bèrto ‘d Sèra</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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border=1> <STRONG>Bèrto ‘d Sèra</STRONG> - Giornalista indipendent<BR>Pòsta
eletrònica: <A
href="mailto:bertodsera@e-opinion.info">bertodsera@e-opinion.info</A> <A
href="mailto:albertoserra@ukr.net">albertoserra@ukr.net</A> <BR>Sit internet <A
href="www.e-opinion.info">www.e-opinion.info</A> <A
href="www.canton-sera.narod.ru">www.canton-sera.narod.ru</A><BR>ICQ
37927113<BR>Teléfono: +38.067.90.400.23 (portàtil) <BR>Teléfono e fax:
+38.044.513.16.75<BR>Adrëssa: Ul. Bojchenko 12 k 51<BR>02206
Kiev<BR>Uńrain-a<BR></BODY></HTML>
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