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Subject: Re: [Kde-hardware-devel] Bof in akademy
From: Jan Grulich <jgrulich () redhat ! com>
Date: 2013-06-28 14:14:23
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Hi,
>
> On Wednesday 26 June 2013 17:51:57 Ŕlex Fiestas wrote:
>
> >Hi there !
>
> Hi,
>
> >Bof scheduling has been opened, I have "booked" a room for a big part
> of the
>
> >day on Thursday (far from QtCS and other activities)
>
> >
>
> >http://community.kde.org/Akademy/2013/Thursday#Room_A3_-_18_July
>
> >
>
> >My idea for the sprint is:
>
> >10:15 we start, doing a wrap up of the things we are doing
>
> > Work together in the things we need to address, for example first
>
> >release of plasma-nm, or improving Audio in KDE.
>
> plasma-nm has two regressions to fix before any release: 1. Bluetooth
> connection creation. Bluedevil calles networkmanagement_configshell
> for this, we need to implement something that works for both
> networkmanagement and plasma-nm. 2. Port the import/export vpn
> settings feature from networkmanagement.
>
I think we can implement these missing features with Lukás( before
Akademy starts so we will be able to make the first release.
>
> There is also the change to make plasma-nm use the same secrets stored
> in kwallet that networkmanagement uses. This is to simplify the
> migration process from networkmanagement to plasma-nm.
>
I'll do it right now :)
>
> After al those things fixed/implemented we can release plasma-nm,
> receive the feedback and start fixing the bugs reported. I am
> expecting a lot of bugs to be reported once we release plasma-nm, some
> of them are going to be missing features that are implemented in
> networkmanagement. We should take those missing features seriously,
> removing features was one of the main complaints about KDE 4 long ago
> when it was first released. I would not like that to happen to plasma-nm.
>
> Another thing that plasma-nm needs is a usability study. I do not know
> if we can do that during the BoF, but at least I would like everybody
> there to send me their oppinions about what can be improved.
>
The biggest usability issue is probably that activating of some
connection is possible only via small icon so we should find some better
way how to do that. The second thing is that all feedback about
usability and what should be improved should be addressed mainly to me.
>
> >13:45 (after lunch) until end of day we have :D
>
> >
>
> >During hacking we can go to other bof if needed, of have meetings
> with other
>
> >people (even within the Bof) for example with multimedia, usability, etc.
>
> >
>
> >What do you think?
>
> That is ok to me. There is this bug in kmix that I would like to help
> fixing:
>
Ok for me as well
>
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317926
>
> There is also the ark2 patches in my scratch repo that needs more
> reviewing. But that depends on Raphael's schedule and he has been
> almost unavailable since last year :-(. Raphael is Ark's maintainer.
>
> --
>
> Lamarque V. Souza
>
> KDE's Network Management maintainer
>
> http://planetkde.org/pt-br
>
>
--
Jan Grulich
Red Hat Czech, s.r.o
jgrulich@redhat.com
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
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-qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday 26 June 2013 17:51:57 Àlex
Fiestas wrote:</p>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
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-qt-user-state:0;"> Hi,</p>
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-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;">>Bof scheduling has been opened, I have
"booked" a room for a big part of the</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;">>day on Thursday (far from QtCS and other
activities)</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;">></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;">><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" \
href="http://community.kde.org/Akademy/2013/Thursday#Room_A3_-_18_July">http://community.kde.org/Akademy/2013/Thursday#Room_A3_-_18_July</a></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;">></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;">>My idea for the sprint is:</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;">>10:15 we start, doing a wrap up of the
things we are doing</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;">> Work together in the things we need to
address, for example first</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;">>release of plasma-nm, or improving Audio
in KDE.</p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px;
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px;
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;"> plasma-nm has two regressions to fix before
any release: 1. Bluetooth connection creation. Bluedevil calles
networkmanagement_configshell for this, we need to implement
something that works for both networkmanagement and plasma-nm.
2. Port the import/export vpn settings feature from
networkmanagement.</p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px;
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px;
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p>
</blockquote>
I think we can implement these missing features with Lukáš before
Akademy starts so we will be able to make the first release.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:7986124.2hOWIxpisA@evolucao.localdomain"
type="cite">
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;"> There is also the change to make plasma-nm
use the same secrets stored in kwallet that networkmanagement
uses. This is to simplify the migration process from
networkmanagement to plasma-nm. </p>
</blockquote>
I'll do it right now :)<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:7986124.2hOWIxpisA@evolucao.localdomain"
type="cite">
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;">After al those things fixed/implemented we
can release plasma-nm, receive the feedback and start fixing the
bugs reported. I am expecting a lot of bugs to be reported once
we release plasma-nm, some of them are going to be missing
features that are implemented in networkmanagement. We should
take those missing features seriously, removing features was one
of the main complaints about KDE 4 long ago when it was first
released. I would not like that to happen to plasma-nm. </p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px;
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px;
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;"> Another thing that plasma-nm needs is a
usability study. I do not know if we can do that during the BoF,
but at least I would like everybody there to send me their
oppinions about what can be improved.</p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px;
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px;
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p>
</blockquote>
The biggest usability issue is probably that activating of some
connection is possible only via small icon so we should find some
better way how to do that. The second thing is that all feedback
about usability and what should be improved should be addressed
mainly to me.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:7986124.2hOWIxpisA@evolucao.localdomain"
type="cite">
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;">>13:45 (after lunch) until end of day we
have :D</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;">></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;">>During hacking we can go to other bof if
needed, of have meetings with other</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;">>people (even within the Bof) for example
with multimedia, usability, etc.</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;">></p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;">>What do you think?</p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px;
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px;
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote cite="mid:7986124.2hOWIxpisA@evolucao.localdomain"
type="cite">
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;"> That is ok to me. There is this bug in kmix
that I would like to help fixing:</p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px;
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px;
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p>
</blockquote>
Ok for me as well<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:7986124.2hOWIxpisA@evolucao.localdomain"
type="cite">
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" \
href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317926">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317926</a></p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px;
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px;
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;"> There is also the ark2 patches in my scratch
repo that needs more reviewing. But that depends on Raphael's
schedule and he has been almost unavailable since last year :-(.
Raphael is Ark's maintainer.</p>
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px;
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px;
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; "> </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;">Lamarque V. Souza</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;">KDE's Network Management maintainer</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px;
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;
-qt-user-state:0;"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" \
href="http://planetkde.org/pt-br">http://planetkde.org/pt-br</a></p> <br>
</blockquote>
-- <br>
Jan Grulich<br>
Red Hat Czech, s.r.o<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" \
href="mailto:jgrulich@redhat.com">jgrulich@redhat.com</a> </body>
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