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Hello,

The solution in KsirK is intermediary: Everything is in one svg and there i=
s one element with id by object but then all the frames of the object are i=
n the same element. The information on how to cut the object in individual =
frames is found in the world.desktop file. I don't like to have parseable i=
ds. For me, ids are atomic pieces of information. The attached image shows =
the element with id "exploding" in the svg and its description in the .desk=
top is below:
[exploding]
frames=3D4
height=3D32
id=3Dexploding
versions=3D2
width=3D32


The AnimSprite class is a QGraphicsPixmapItem and itr also contains a list =
of pixmaps for the frames. Then a slot connected to a timer (local to the s=
prite ; should it be global ?) calls setPixmaps regularly.

It works OK with 100 to 200 sprites.

The problem in the ksirk case, is the moving animation solution: an old ang=
 ugly solution that I plan to refactor for 4.3 (using the Qt animation fram=
ework as a basis). If work is done on that before I start, I sure will try =
it.

Bye.

Ga=C3=ABl
----- Mail Original -----
De: "Eugene Trounev" <eugene.trounev@gmail.com>
=C3=80: piacentini@kde.org, "KDE games development" <kde-games-devel@kde.or=
g>
Envoy=C3=A9: Mercredi 10 D=C3=A9cembre 2008 17:37:56 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam /=
 Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne
Objet: Re: [Kde-games-devel] Kapman sprite system (also, connecting-tiles s=
ystems)




I agree with Mauricio here. As an artist I love the ID system, as it makes =
my life so much easier. Also I really would like us to keep all the artwork=
 in 1 file per theme. Kpat is a good example of how bad this separation is =
(faces in one file, back in the other, background in third, game elements i=
n forth, and fifth). However Matthew rises a valid point - KDEGames animati=
on framework sucks :) And his idea of using Plasma like *hints* right insid=
e svg files is very nice! .desktop configs are fine by the way.=20



On Wednesday 10 December 2008 07:03:16 Mauricio Piacentini wrote:=20

> Matthew Woehlke wrote:=20

> > Ok, so in fiddling with Kapman graphics, I ran into some problems with=
=20

> > the sprite system, mostly in the set of assumptions it makes (only one=
=20

> > enemy graphic, number of animation frames or lack thereof), and the=20

> > kdegames-wide item that has been the bane of my existence since 4.0,=20

> > requiring every bloody thing to have an id.=20

>=20

> ...=20

>=20

> > Let me say it again. I *hate* assigning id's to every blody thing. I=20

> > also hate having to group, and I really, *REALLY* hate having to make=
=20

> > invisible objects so that id'd things are the right size. As you'll no=
=20

> > doubt see from the attached svg's, I very much prefer defining elements=
=20

> > based on their position in the document. It's much easier (easier to=20

> > make, easier to edit, leads to neater svg's, no invisible objects, no=
=20

> > need to group)... and even allows tricks like frame re-use (check out=
=20

> > where the second four of eight frames for the blink animation are ;-) )=
.=20

> > Not to mention that for the enemies I have 22 id'd objects versus 80 I'=
d=20

> > need otherwise (and for the player, I'd otherwise need 36, and I have a=
=20

> > whole *2*).=20

> >=20

> > Anyway, one question is obviously if I can convince people to see the=
=20

> > light in this respect :-).=20

>=20

> Well, I do not agree with you, but I think we discussed this before in=20

> the mailing list a few months ago, didn't we? Assigning IDs works for=20

> all of the other games, and let authors free to not worry about pixel=20

> locations, which are troublesome in SVG art. It also brings imo other=20

> advantages: you COULD have code in the game to check for missed=20

> elements, for example, and you can let the theme author decide the scale=
=20

> and positioning of things in the game screen directly using SVG elements=
=20

> (like in KBlocks), without having to deal with keys in the .desktop files=
.=20

> All of these are not earth shattering features, but one is important=20

> imo: the ability of QSvgRenderer to render an element separately if you=
=20

> identify it by the ID. This alone is a huge benefit code wise: I am not=
=20

> sure how you are going to reproduce this in your whole SVG theme, but I=
=20

> think it will require rendering of the whole SVG and slicing the pixmaps=
=20

> afterwards. It should not be problematic for Kapman, but in some cases=20

> (KMahjongg for example) it is bad to render the whole tileset and look=20

> for a specific position if you only want one element at a different=20

> size. Did you think about a solution to this yet?=20

>=20

> > The other big question is on the animation system itself, if it looks=
=20

> > sane, etc. Most of it is described in the README (which is written to=
=20

> > describe the whole theme but is incomplete at the moment). Basically,=
=20

> > it's magic-id to identify each sprite or block of sprites, with=20

> > additional magic id's to give the animation parameters and other hints.=
=20

> > Plus one magic id gives the size scale for everything. Obviously the=20

> > colors aren't important, but I've consistently used blue for block=20

> > identifiers, green for art hints (only one), and magenta for animation=
=20

> > hints. And red for the scale-indicator.=20

>=20

> ---=20

>=20

> > So... thoughts? Especially from Thomas and/or Pierre-Benoit? It's a=20

> > decent amount of work but will *really* open up new theming=20

> > possibilities.=20

> >=20

> > Implementation-wise, the first thing I plan on writing is obviously a=
=20

> > class to import multiple frames from a so-laid-out SVG; this will be=20

> > used both for the sprites and also the wall tiles. Then comes tile=20

> > logic... :-) I'm not sure if I'll want to tackle improving the animatio=
n=20

> > system or tying in a tile engine first; both are not changes to be made=
=20

> > while in freeze. (Maybe I should start a work branch in playground?)=20

>=20

> I think that you could try a branch to see how these ideas shape up. I=20

> still think using IDs open up more opportunities than it creates=20

> problems, and I think it is in line with what other SVG clients in the=20

> project are doing (plasmoids?)=20

> Thoughts from artists?=20

>=20

> Regards,=20

> Mauricio Piacentini=20

> _______________________________________________=20

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> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-games-devel=20
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