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Subject: Re: [Kde-games-devel] KSirk issues
From: Kleag <kleag () free ! fr>
Date: 2008-04-13 20:06:41
Message-ID: 200804132206.41739.kleag () free ! fr
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Hi Albert,
A few other answers to your issues:
On Sunday 06 April 2008 22:30:09 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> Hi, this are the KSirk issues i found while trying to play it:
>
> * The first window has a broken layout, open it and play
with resizing and
> you'll see that you can make the soldiers be on top of
buttons, etc
I'll have to ask for help, here. I'm a noob concerning
layouting. I don't know what choices should be made to
avoid these problems.
> * The "going to display your goal make sure noone is
looking" info window
> has scrollbars when it's completely not necessary, maybe
that's a kdelibs
> issue though
Yes, probably a kdelibs bug. It's just a
KMessageBox::information. It should resize itself
automatically I suppose. I'll ask...
> * We either need scrollbars or scale the map so that it fits
on the window
I still don't agree with that. The original map move by
placing the mouse near the borders make a neat difference
with others. It's easy to play like that. A kind of bird-eye-view
could be used but it is not necessary for this version, I think.
> * I don't see the point in zooming
> * Zooming makes ksirk consume a lot much more more of
resources than when
> not zooming is done
I probably agree. Zooming in KsirK was just a feasability
proof. It could be removed if others agree with that, but I
don't like to remove a feature that could be used by some
people (partialy blind people maybe ?).
> * Differentiating my and other armies is not easy
It's a question of being used to it. But I agree, that different
sprites or colors could be useful. I don't see that as a
showstopper for this version. To add to the TODO list.
> * In my opinion animated flags are a bad idea, it makes it
very difficult
> to concetrate and the fact that they are animated
probably adds up to the
> fact that it's difficult to diferentiate my and other armies
Here, I completely disagree. In fact, it is one of the features
that makes KsirK different to other free software
implementations of Risk, like Teg or Jrisk. And others
probably like it with the 11295 downloads of KsirK on kde-
apps (4th game).
In fact, there could be other skins with no animations at all
for those who prefer. I can even do a second skin based on
the first one with no animations. But I don't agree to put it
as the default one.
> * When starting a non network game i would prefer to
replace the "ask N
> dialogs asking the player name, country, if is computer ,
etc" with a
> single big dialog where i can input everything like the one
used in
> ksquares and kiriki.
It's probably a good idea. I'll add it to the TODO but not for
4.1
> * The fact that you have to drag to attack is not intuitive
at all for the
> first time player, i just could not play until i was told to do
that on IRC
Here you're right. Better introduction has to be given, even
if it is then easy to use.
> * Playing a game vs 5 computer games, attacking makes
nothing and seems to
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-qt-user-state:0;">> Hi, this are the KSirk issues i found while trying to play \
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-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> * The first window has \
a broken layout, open it and play with resizing and</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> you'll see that you can make the soldiers be \
on top of buttons, etc</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">I'll have to ask for help, here. I'm a noob concerning layouting. \
I don't know what choices should be made to avoid these problems.</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> * The "going to display \
your goal make sure noone is looking" info window</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> has scrollbars when it's completely not \
necessary, maybe that's a kdelibs</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> issue though</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Yes, probably a kdelibs bug. It's just a \
KMessageBox::information. It should resize itself automatically I suppose. I'll \
ask...</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> * We either need scrollbars or scale the map so that it fits \
on the window</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I still \
don't agree with that. The original map move by placing the mouse near the borders \
make a neat difference with others. It's easy to play like that. A kind of \
bird-eye-view could be used but it is not necessary for this version, I think.</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> * I don't see the point \
in zooming</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> * \
Zooming makes ksirk consume a lot much more more of resources than when</p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> not zooming is done</p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I probably agree. Zooming in \
KsirK was just a feasability proof. It could be removed if others agree with that, \
but I don't like to remove a feature that could be used by some people (partialy \
blind people maybe ?).</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> * Differentiating my and other armies is \
not easy</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">It's a \
question of being used to it. But I agree, that different sprites or colors could be \
useful. I don't see that as a showstopper for this version. To add to the TODO \
list.</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> * In my opinion animated flags are a bad idea, it makes it \
very difficult</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> to \
concetrate and the fact that they are animated probably adds up to the</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> fact that it's difficult \
to diferentiate my and other armies</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">Here, I completely disagree. In fact, it is one of the features \
that makes KsirK different to other free software implementations of Risk, like Teg \
or Jrisk. And others probably like it with the 11295 downloads of KsirK on kde-apps \
(4th game).</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In fact, \
there could be other skins with no animations at all for those who prefer. I can even \
do a second skin based on the first one with no animations. But I don't agree to put \
it as the default one.</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> * When starting a non network game i would \
prefer to replace the "ask N</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> dialogs asking the player name, country, if is computer , \
etc" with a</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> single \
big dialog where i can input everything like the one used in</p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> ksquares and kiriki.</p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">It's probably a good idea. \
I'll add it to the TODO but not for 4.1</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> * The fact that you \
have to drag to attack is not intuitive at all for the</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> first time player, i just could not play \
until i was told to do that on IRC</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">Here you're right. Better introduction has to be given, even if it \
is then easy to use.</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> * Playing a game vs 5 computer games, \
attacking makes nothing and seems to</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> hang the game (kleak told me that is a bug \
that he is going to fix soon)</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">Yes, current version works with local games, to my knowledge.</p> \
<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">Bye.</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; \
text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Kleag</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">KsirK - a turn-based strategy \
game for KDE</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">http://gna.org/projects/ksirk</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p> <p \
style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">KGraphViewer - a GraphViz dot \
graphs viewer</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kgraphviewer</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;"></p></body></html>
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