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Subject: Re: Review Request 129251: Remove Shift+Del as secondary shortcut for Cut
From: Mark Gaiser <markg85 () gmail ! com>
Date: 2016-10-30 10:44:09
Message-ID: 20161030104409.5235.37532 () mimi ! kde ! org
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> On okt 30, 2016, 10:27 a.m., David Faure wrote:
> > Right. We have Shift+Del as an alternate shortcut for cut because when I switched \
> > from Windows to Linux (last millenium!), I had taken the habit to use \
> > Ctrl+Insert, Shift+Del, and Shift+Insert for copy/cut/paste (these are certainly \
> > more logical than Ctrl+C/X/V...).
> > Indeed this shortcut doesn't work for file managers, who have to get rid of it. \
> > But the majority of apps are not file managers, so the current situation seems \
> > fine to me (file managers remove the shortcut, everyone else gets it). => I vote \
> > for discard.
What would be your shortcut of choice for permanently deleting files?
Meta + Delete?
or just nothing and force the user to clear the trash to permanently delete files?
- Mark
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On okt 24, 2016, 10:47 a.m., Elvis Angelaccio wrote:
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> (Updated okt 24, 2016, 10:47 a.m.)
>
>
> Review request for KDE Frameworks, KDE Usability and Matthew Dawson.
>
>
> Bugs: 357747
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357747
>
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> Repository: kconfig
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> Description
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>
> This patch removes Shift+Del as secondary shortcut for the Cut action. This \
> shortcut was set back in 2001.
> Reasons for removing it:
>
> * The expected standard behavior for this shortcut is "Permanently delete"
> * For the reason above, it is also set as primary shortcut for the `DeleteFile` \
> action. This causes conflicts in applications.
> * For the reason above, many applications (e.g. Dolphin or Digikam) already resolve \
> this conflict on their own.
> Credits to Jan for the investigation: \
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347373#c2
>
> Diffs
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>
> src/gui/kstandardshortcut.cpp 92eb091382c7ab2110240cef21f29268be787250
>
> Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/129251/diff/
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>
> Testing
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> Using Shift+Del in Gwenview now works as expected.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Elvis Angelaccio
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<blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: \
10px;"> <p style="margin-top: 0;">On oktober 30th, 2016, 10:27 a.m. UTC, <b>David \
Faure</b> wrote:</p> <blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid \
#d0d0d0; padding-left: 10px;"> <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: \
-moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: \
break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">Right. We have Shift+Del as an alternate shortcut for \
cut because when I switched from Windows to Linux (last millenium!), I had taken the \
habit to use Ctrl+Insert, Shift+Del, and Shift+Insert for copy/cut/paste (these are \
certainly more logical than Ctrl+C/X/V...).</p> <p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: \
inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">Indeed this shortcut \
doesn't work for file managers, who have to get rid of it. But the majority of apps \
are not file managers, so the current situation seems fine to me (file managers \
remove the shortcut, everyone else gets it). => I vote for discard.</p></pre> \
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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
-pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p style="padding: \
0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: inherit;">What \
would be your shortcut of choice for permanently deleting files? Meta + Delete?
or just nothing and force the user to clear the trash to permanently delete \
files?</p></pre> <br />
<p>- Mark</p>
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<p>On oktober 24th, 2016, 10:47 a.m. UTC, Elvis Angelaccio wrote:</p>
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<div>Review request for KDE Frameworks, KDE Usability and Matthew Dawson.</div>
<div>By Elvis Angelaccio.</div>
<p style="color: grey;"><i>Updated okt 24, 2016, 10:47 a.m.</i></p>
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<b style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Bugs: </b>
<a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357747">357747</a>
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<div style="margin-top: 1.5em;">
<b style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt;">Repository: </b>
kconfig
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Description </h1>
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<pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: \
-moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: \
break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">This patch removes Shift+Del as secondary shortcut for \
the Cut action. This shortcut was set back in 2001.</p> <p style="padding: \
0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: \
inherit;">Reasons for removing it:</p> <ul style="padding: 0;text-rendering: \
inherit;margin: 0 0 0 1em;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;"> <li \
style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: \
normal;">The expected standard behavior for this shortcut is "Permanently \
delete"</li> <li style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: normal;">For the reason above, it is also set as primary \
shortcut for the <code style="text-rendering: inherit;color: #4444cc;padding: \
0;white-space: normal;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;">DeleteFile</code> action. This \
causes conflicts in applications.</li> <li style="padding: 0;text-rendering: \
inherit;margin: 0;line-height: inherit;white-space: normal;">For the reason above, \
many applications (e.g. Dolphin or Digikam) already resolve this conflict on their \
own.</li> </ul>
<p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">Credits to Jan for the investigation: \
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347373#c2</p></pre> </td>
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Testing </h1>
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<pre style="margin: 0; padding: 0; white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: \
-moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: \
break-word;"><p style="padding: 0;text-rendering: inherit;margin: 0;line-height: \
inherit;white-space: inherit;">Using Shift+Del in Gwenview now works as \
expected.</p></pre> </td>
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Diffs</b> </h1>
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<li>src/gui/kstandardshortcut.cpp <span style="color: \
grey">(92eb091382c7ab2110240cef21f29268be787250)</span></li>
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<p><a href="https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/129251/diff/" style="margin-left: \
3em;">View Diff</a></p>
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