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Subject:    Re: Review Request 108385: Reduce risk of timeout and race condition in KPtyProcessTest
From:       "Oswald Buddenhagen" <ossi () kde ! org>
Date:       2013-01-14 18:33:57
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> On Jan. 13, 2013, 6:45 p.m., Oswald Buddenhagen wrote:
> > and why exactly do you sleep instead of looping with waitforreadyread?
> 
> Jon Severinsson wrote:
> Because that would be an (almost) busy-loop (there are already *some* data, so \
> waitForReadyRead could return before the timeout). 
> Oswald Buddenhagen wrote:
> right. my (kpty) implementation waits for *any* data to be available (which is (or \
> was) consistent with something i don't remember), while thiago's (qsocket & co.) \
> implementations wait for *more* data to be available. this really should be made \
> consistent at some point ... at this point i think thiago's interpretation is more \
> useful, even if it means writing more code in the common case. 
> Jon Severinsson wrote:
> I have not looked too closely at either implementation, and can't say I really \
> understand how either actually work, so this might be pointless, but I would still \
> want to give a warning about the whole "waiting for *more* data" (as opposed to \
> "waiting for *some* data") concept, as that immediately brings to question "more \
> since *when*?". 
> More data since the waitForReadyRead() call *can* *not* be used correctly. Never \
> under any circumstance!  Every call would be a race condition (all data that is \
> ever going to come might have come just before you made the call), and would at \
> best result in an unnecessary sleep of "timeout" ms, and at worst result in a \
> complete deadlock, or if the rest of the system conspires against you, an infinite \
> loop. 
> More data since last "relevant" API call prior to waitForReadyRead() could work, \
> but defining "relevant", and getting both the implementation and documentation \
> right would likely be a nightmare, and chances a API consumer makes a mistake is \
> still possible, even likely, so this is not something I would recommend. 
> So imho "waiting for *some* data" is the only right thing to do, even though it \
> results in this ugly code in some cases...

no. the actual querying of the data source is synchronous as far as threading is \
concerned: you either do it via waitFor*() or by returning to the event loop. \
consequently, code like "if (!dev->bytesAvailable()) dev->waitForReadyRead();" is \
entirely well-defined. the waitFor*() functions are thus defined to mean \
"synchronously wait for the emission of the likewise named signal".


- Oswald


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On Jan. 13, 2013, 1:03 p.m., Jon Severinsson wrote:
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> (Updated Jan. 13, 2013, 1:03 p.m.)
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> Review request for KDE Frameworks.
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> Description
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> Increase timeout, and sleep a while after waitForReadyRead() returns,
> as it only guarantees that *some* data is available to read, while
> the test assumes that a full line of data is available to read...
> 
> This reduces failure rate from 10% to 2% on my setup.
> 
> 
> Diffs
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> kpty/tests/kptyprocesstest.cpp b95ae26 
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> Diff: http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/108385/diff/
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> Testing
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> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jon Severinsson
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<blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: \
10px;">  <p style="margin-top: 0;">On January 13th, 2013, 6:45 p.m. UTC, <b>Oswald \
Buddenhagen</b> wrote:</p>  <blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px \
solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: 10px;">  <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: \
-moz-pre-wrap; white-space: -pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: \
break-word;">and why exactly do you sleep instead of looping with \
waitforreadyread?</pre>  </blockquote>




 <p>On January 13th, 2013, 7:08 p.m. UTC, <b>Jon Severinsson</b> wrote:</p>
 <blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: \
10px;">  <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
-pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">Because that would be an \
(almost) busy-loop (there are already *some* data, so waitForReadyRead could return \
before the timeout).</pre>  </blockquote>





 <p>On January 13th, 2013, 7:35 p.m. UTC, <b>Oswald Buddenhagen</b> wrote:</p>
 <blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: \
10px;">  <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
-pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">right. my (kpty) \
implementation waits for *any* data to be available (which is (or was) consistent \
with something i don&#39;t remember), while thiago&#39;s (qsocket &amp; co.) \
implementations wait for *more* data to be available. this really should be made \
consistent at some point ... at this point i think thiago&#39;s interpretation is \
more useful, even if it means writing more code in the common case.</pre>  \
</blockquote>





 <p>On January 14th, 2013, 4:13 p.m. UTC, <b>Jon Severinsson</b> wrote:</p>
 <blockquote style="margin-left: 1em; border-left: 2px solid #d0d0d0; padding-left: \
10px;">  <pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
-pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">I have not looked too \
closely at either implementation, and can&#39;t say I really understand how either \
actually work, so this might be pointless, but I would still want to give a warning \
about the whole &quot;waiting for *more* data&quot; (as opposed to &quot;waiting for \
*some* data&quot;) concept, as that immediately brings to question &quot;more since \
*when*?&quot;.

More data since the waitForReadyRead() call *can* *not* be used correctly. Never \
under any circumstance!  Every call would be a race condition (all data that is ever \
going to come might have come just before you made the call), and would at best \
result in an unnecessary sleep of &quot;timeout&quot; ms, and at worst result in a \
complete deadlock, or if the rest of the system conspires against you, an infinite \
loop.

More data since last &quot;relevant&quot; API call prior to waitForReadyRead() could \
work, but defining &quot;relevant&quot;, and getting both the implementation and \
documentation right would likely be a nightmare, and chances a API consumer makes a \
mistake is still possible, even likely, so this is not something I would recommend.

So imho &quot;waiting for *some* data&quot; is the only right thing to do, even \
though it results in this ugly code in some cases...</pre>  </blockquote>








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<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; white-space: \
-pre-wrap; white-space: -o-pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">no. the actual querying \
of the data source is synchronous as far as threading is concerned: you either do it \
via waitFor*() or by returning to the event loop. consequently, code like &quot;if \
(!dev-&gt;bytesAvailable()) dev-&gt;waitForReadyRead();&quot; is entirely \
well-defined. the waitFor*() functions are thus defined to mean &quot;synchronously \
wait for the emission of the likewise named signal&quot;.</pre> <br />










<p>- Oswald</p>


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<p style="color: grey;"><i>Updated Jan. 13, 2013, 1:03 p.m.</i></p>






<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Description </h1>
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break-word;">Increase timeout, and sleep a while after waitForReadyRead() returns, as \
it only guarantees that *some* data is available to read, while the test assumes that \
a full line of data is available to read...

This reduces failure rate from 10% to 2% on my setup.</pre>
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<h1 style="color: #575012; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 1.5em;">Diffs</b> </h1>
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 <li>kpty/tests/kptyprocesstest.cpp <span style="color: grey">(b95ae26)</span></li>

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