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Subject: Re: Aw: Re: LabPlot - Cannot print or export
From: Bill Gee <bgee () campercaver ! net>
Date: 2021-01-05 1:33:58
Message-ID: 3005062.D8ZAKjAxdT () main2 ! billgee ! local
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Hi Alexander -
I brought up a test machine under KVM to see if the flatpak would work. It \
sort of works, though as far as I can tell it will not save any file. It \
certainly does not save files to the directory I tell it to. I tried \
saving a project and printing a PDF with the target being \
/home/bgee/Documents ... but nothing ever appears there. Curiously, when \
I reprint to the same filename, it says that file already exists! Double \
curious - Exporting as a PNG does put the file where I expect it.
There is something weird going on. Are the files being saved inside a \
virtual environment? If so, how do I get to them from outside the virtual \
environment?
Flatpaks, snaps and containers all strike me as a very neat solution for \
which no problem exists. It took about 1 gigabyte of downloads to support \
a program that is less than 20 megabytes in size. It won't save files \
where I tell it to. The filename dialog boxes always pop up behind all \
other windows when they should be at the top of the Z-order. If I change \
themes, colors, icons, pointers, the changes are not used by the flatpak \
application.
So what is the advantage?
--
Bill Gee
On Monday, January 4, 2021 2:51:45 PM CST Alexander Semke wrote:
>
> Bill, would flatpack be an option for you?
>
> https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.kde.labplot2
>
>
> Gesendet: Montag, 04. Januar 2021 um 21:30 Uhr
> Von: "Bill Gee" <bgee@campercaver.net>
> An: kde-edu@kde.org, "Alexander Semke" <alexander.semke@web.de>
> Cc: kde-edu@mail.kde.org
> Betreff: Re: Aw: LabPlot - Cannot print or export
>
> Hi Alexander -
>
>
>
> Who'd a thunk it? Your suggestion of skipping the workbook and going \
> straight to a spreadsheet works! I can print and export plots, and the \
> saved project will reload with all my plots present. When the plots are \
> inside a workbook, the print and export options do nothing.
>
>
> Yeah, it would be nice to have the current version, but I don't see an \
> easy way to do it until some Fedora maintainer gets around to building a \
> new package.
>
>
> Many thanks for your help.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Bill Gee
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 4, 2021 2:14:12 PM CST Alexander Semke wrote:
>
> > Hi Bill,
>
> >
>
> > we had a problem with restoring the connections to columns in \
> > spreadsheets that are part of a workbook. This bug is already fixed but \
> > I think it's still present in the version you're using. To workaround \
> > this problem now without upgrading to the most recent version (should \
> > be the preferred way, though) is to create a "stand-alone" spreadsheet. \
> > So, just create a new spreadsheet without the workbook and import your \
> > data.
>
> >
>
> > As to the export, this should work actually. If you select the plot and \
> > click on the export button in the toolbar, are you able to export to \
> > PDF and PNG or JPEG?
>
> >
>
> > Regards,
>
> > Alexander
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Gesendet: Montag, 04. Januar 2021 um 20:42 Uhr
>
> > Von: "Bill Gee" <bgee@campercaver.net>
>
> > An: kde-edu@mail.kde.org
>
> > Betreff: LabPlot - Cannot print or export
>
> >
>
> > Fedora 33, KDE/Plasma desktop, LabPlot version 2.7.0 from the Fedora \
> > repository
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I touch LabPlot once a year for a special need, so much of my knowledge \
> > evaporates over the year. It is time for me to get back to it.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I have a project with a workbook that links to a CSV file of values. I \
> > figured out how to create a basic plot. Now I have two problems:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > 1) When I save the project, the plots are NOT saved. Every time I open \
> > the project, I have to create the plots again. Who can I save plots?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > 2) Once the plots are created, I want to print them to PDF and export \
> > them to JPG. File-Print and File-Export do nothing. It is like \
> > clicking on /dev/null. There is no error, no windows pop up, nothing \
> > is printed ... How can I get these features to work? It is almost \
> > like LabPlot thinks there is nothing to print.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > If I select the worksheet, then File-Export does work. Of course, \
> > that's not what I want to export! When i select a plot, I get nothing.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Snaps are not an option. The version of LabPlot in the snap library is \
> > 2.6.0 which does not have some of the features I need. Flatpaks are \
> > not an option because the flatpak package requires Wayland, and I \
> > cannot run that. The nVidia display driver does not work with Wayland. \
> > And as a matter of sensibility, the flatpak wants to install something \
> > like 2 gigabytes of stuff. WTF?????
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I tried compiling 2.8.1 from source, but that throws hundreds of \
> > dependency errors. I have no idea what it is asking for.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > -- Could NOT find KF5Archive (missing: KF5Archive_DIR)
>
> > -- Could NOT find KF5Archive: found neither KF5ArchiveConfig.cmake nor \
> > kf5archive-config.cmake
>
> > -- Could NOT find KF5Completion (missing: KF5Completion_DIR)
>
> > -- Could NOT find KF5Completion: found neither \
> > KF5CompletionConfig.cmake nor kf5completion-config.cmake
>
> > I am open for suggestions.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Thanks!
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --
>
> >
>
> > Bill Gee
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
>
>
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style="font-size:0.92em;">Hi Alexander -</span></p> <br /><p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">I \
brought up a test machine under KVM to see if the flatpak would work. \
It sort of works, though as far as I can tell it will not save any \
file. It certainly does not save files to the directory I tell it \
to. I tried saving a project and printing a PDF with the target being \
/home/bgee/Documents ... but nothing ever appears there. \
Curiously, when I reprint to the same filename, it says that file already \
exists! Double curious - Exporting as a PNG does put the file where I \
expect it.</p> <br /><p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">There is \
something weird going on. Are the files being saved inside a virtual \
environment? If so, how do I get to them from outside the virtual \
environment?</p> <br /><p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Flatpaks, \
snaps and containers all strike me as a very neat solution for which no \
problem exists. It took about 1 gigabyte of downloads to support a \
program that is less than 20 megabytes in size. It won't save files \
where I tell it to. The filename dialog boxes always pop up behind \
all other windows when they should be at the top of the Z-order. If I \
change themes, colors, icons, pointers, the changes are not used by the \
flatpak application.</p> <br /><p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">So what \
is the advantage?</p> <p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">-- </p> \
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">Bill \
Gee</p> <br /><br /><p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;"><br />On \
Monday, January 4, 2021 2:51:45 PM CST Alexander Semke wrote:</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
Bill, would flatpack be an option for you?</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.kde.labplot2</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
Gesendet: Montag, 04. Januar 2021 um 21:30 Uhr</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
Von: "Bill Gee" <bgee@campercaver.net></p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> An: \
kde-edu@kde.org, "Alexander Semke" \
<alexander.semke@web.de></p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> Cc: \
kde-edu@mail.kde.org</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
Betreff: Re: Aw: LabPlot - Cannot print or export</p> <p \
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</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
Hi Alexander -</p> <p \
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</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
Who'd a thunk it? Your suggestion of skipping the workbook and going \
straight to a spreadsheet works! I can print and export plots, and the \
saved project will reload with all my plots present. When the plots are \
inside a workbook, the print and export options do nothing.</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
Yeah, it would be nice to have the current version, but I don't see an easy \
way to do it until some Fedora maintainer gets around to building a new \
package.</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
Many thanks for your help.</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
--</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
Bill Gee</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
On Monday, January 4, 2021 2:14:12 PM CST Alexander Semke wrote:</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> Hi Bill,</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> </p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> we had a problem with restoring the connections to columns in \
spreadsheets that are part of a workbook. This bug is already fixed but I \
think it's still present in the version you're using. To workaround this \
problem now without upgrading to the most recent version (should be the \
preferred way, though) is to create a "stand-alone" spreadsheet. \
So, just create a new spreadsheet without the workbook and import your \
data.</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> </p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> As to the export, this should work actually. If you select the plot \
and click on the export button in the toolbar, are you able to export to \
PDF and PNG or JPEG?</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> </p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> Regards,</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> Alexander</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> </p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> </p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> Gesendet: Montag, 04. Januar 2021 um 20:42 Uhr</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> Von: "Bill Gee" <bgee@campercaver.net></p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> An: kde-edu@mail.kde.org</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> Betreff: LabPlot - Cannot print or export</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
></p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> Fedora 33, KDE/Plasma desktop, LabPlot version 2.7.0 from the Fedora \
repository</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
></p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> </p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
></p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> I touch LabPlot once a year for a special need, so much of my \
knowledge evaporates over the year. It is time for me to get back to \
it.</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
></p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> </p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
></p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> I have a project with a workbook that links to a CSV file of values. \
I figured out how to create a basic plot. Now I have two problems:</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
></p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> </p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
></p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> 1) When I save the project, the plots are NOT saved. Every time I \
open the project, I have to create the plots again. Who can I save \
plots?</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
></p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> </p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
></p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> 2) Once the plots are created, I want to print them to PDF and export \
them to JPG. File-Print and File-Export do nothing. It is like clicking \
on /dev/null. There is no error, no windows pop up, nothing is printed ... \
How can I get these features to work? It is almost like LabPlot thinks \
there is nothing to print.</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
></p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> </p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
></p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> If I select the worksheet, then File-Export does work. Of course, \
that's not what I want to export! When i select a plot, I get nothing.</p> \
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
></p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> </p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
></p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> Snaps are not an option. The version of LabPlot in the snap library \
is 2.6.0 which does not have some of the features I need. Flatpaks are not \
an option because the flatpak package requires Wayland, and I cannot run \
that. The nVidia display driver does not work with Wayland. And as a \
matter of sensibility, the flatpak wants to install something like 2 \
gigabytes of stuff. WTF?????</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
></p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
></p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
> I tried compiling 2.8.1 from source, but that throws hundreds of \
dependency errors. I have no idea what it is asking for.</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
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> -- Could NOT find KF5Archive (missing: KF5Archive_DIR)</p> <p \
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> -- Could NOT find KF5Archive: found neither KF5ArchiveConfig.cmake nor \
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> -- Could NOT find KF5Completion (missing: KF5Completion_DIR)</p> <p \
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> -- Could NOT find KF5Completion: found neither \
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> I am open for suggestions.</p> <p \
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> Thanks!</p> <p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">> \
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> Bill Gee</p> <p \
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