'Re: Re: Parley: words remain in inital-stage'

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List:       kde-edu-devel
Subject:    Re: Re: Parley: words remain in inital-stage
From:       h3x32000-sf <h3x32000-sf () yahoo ! de>
Date:       2015-06-16 8:37:05
Message-ID: 557FE031.1020101 () yahoo ! de
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Hi Anša,

unfortunatly i failed to compile the 0.9.4 under the new enviorment. I \
suppose it had to do with some qt stuff. But anyway i have now arranged a \
solution for me:

I wrote a script hat manipulates parley-files directly by replacing

<pregrade>X</pregrade>
<currentgrade>0</currentgrade>

with

<currentgrade>1</currentgrade>

if X >= 2. It is a little bit brute force but seems to have the wanted \
result.

Thank you very much for your help.

Greets, P.

On 15-06-2015 08:58, Anna Vernerová wrote:
> Hi P.,
> 
> Parley is currently set to work with as many initial stages (called
> "preGrades" in the code) as there are normal levels. Their number is set \
> in the variable KV_MAX_GRADE which is not part of the parley repository, \
> but comes with the libkdeedu library - on my system, it is defined in the \
> file 
> / </usr/local/include/libkdeedu/keduvoctext.h>
> usr/local/include/libkdeedu/keduvoctext.h
> 
> What I find particularly useful about the initial stages is that they
> increase the total number of levels to 14 (7 initial and 7 normal), AND
> allow me to skip directly from level 0 to level 8 (from New word to \
> normal level 1 or 2, I am not quite sure how exactly it works) by marking \
> my answer to a "New word" question as correct. I can skip the initial \
> frequent revisions for words that I currently know but want to make sure \
> that I do not forget them in the future. I use blocking times from 3,5 \
> minutes to one week for the initial stages and from 2 weeks to a full \
> year for the normal level - see below.
> 
> Anyway, if you would still prefer to go completely without the initial
> stages (for example because it is annoying that there is no visualisation
> for your progress across the initial stages), I think you really have to \
> go back to some previous version of parley. I am not sure about compiling \
> the old 0.9.4, but I guess it should work. The last commit before the \
> initial stages were introduced is \
> a33aa6ae8c654d54a74f987741b613c6262da900 , so you can get the code by \
> issuing the following in the command line: 
> git clone git://anongit.kde.org/parley
> git checkout a33aa6ae8c654d54a74f987741b613c6262da900
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you for filing the wish report.
> 
> Anša
> 
> 
> p.s. Here are my settings for the blocking times:
> 
> initial stages (in the file parley/src/collection/entryfilter.cpp):
> 0,
> 3 * 60 + 30,                // 1: 3.5 minutes
> 7 * 60,                     // 2: 7 minutes
> 15 * 60,                    // 3: 15 minutes
> 16 * 3600,                  // 4: 16 h (next day)
> 42 * 3600,                  // 5: almost 2 days (but allow a 6 h
> difference in the practice time)
> 90 * 3600,                  // 6: almost 4 days (but allow a 6 h
> difference in the practice time)
> 7 * 24 * 3600,              // 7: a week
> normal levels (blocking times set in parley settings):
> 2 weeks       level 1
> 4 weeks       level 2
> 2 months     level 3
> 4 months     level 4
> 6 months     level 5
> 10 months   level 6
> 12 months   level 7
> 
> This means it takes about three years for a word to get all the way to
> level 7, so it provides some extra long term revision.
> 
> 
> 2015-06-14 15:53 GMT+02:00 h3x32000-sf <h3x32000-sf@yahoo.de>:
> 
> > Hi Anša,
> > 
> > thank you very much for you explanation.
> > But if i got it right, it's not possible to switch off the \
> > initial-stages or to reduce their number
> > by tuning the blocking times. That's a pity.
> > 
> > I have now made a wish report as you suggested and i will try to \
> > downdate to 0.9.4. I had already
> > done this in the last weeks by installing the old wheezy-packages in \
> > the jessie-environment. It
> > worked for me for some weeks and then probably after updating something
> > else it began to crash every
> > time.
> > 
> > Perhaps its possible to to compile the old 0.9.4 sources against the \
> > new environment?
> > 
> > Greets, P
> > 
> > 
> > On 13-06-2015 23:15, Anna Vernerová wrote:
> > > Hi P.,
> > > 
> > > there are seven hard-coded initial stages, after which the words go
> > through
> > > the usual "pots" (levels) as before. The time intervals for the \
> > > initial stages are all between a few minutes and 8 hours. The idea is \
> > > to provide extra intensive training of new words (and to replace the \
> > > old "require three consecutive right answers" option). Currently, the \
> > > only way to
> > change
> > > the behaviour is to compile parley from sources (and change the \
> > > intervals for these initial stages before compiling). In all other \
> > > aspects, the initial stages behave just as usual levels, that is, if \
> > > you answer a word correctly, it goes onto the next initial stage (or, \
> > > from the last initial stage, to the usual level 2), and if you answer \
> > > incorrectly, it drops all the way to the beginning.
> > > 
> > > You can find the sources here:
> > > https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/parley/repository
> > > I am not very experienced with compiling, but here is what I do on a
> > > Kubuntu system. The following procedure should work on Kubuntu 14.10 \
> > > or 15.04 - it does not work on 14.04 or older, in which case you \
> > > would have
> > to
> > > clone some older version of the code from the repo (just write to me \
> > > and
> > I
> > > will tell you which version works for me on Kubuntu 14.04).
> > > 
> > > - uninstall parley
> > > - open the konsole
> > > - the following command will create a directory called "parley" in \
> > > the current directory, and download the source files into it:
> > > git clone git://anongit.kde.org/parley
> > > - alter the intervals right at the top of the file
> > > src/collection/entryfilter.cpp   (the format is self-explanatory)
> > > - then start Kdevelop and create a project containing the "parley"
> > directory
> > > - press the "build" button
> > > - the file your_current_directory/parley/build/src/parley is the file
> > that
> > > you should use for opening parley
> > > 
> > > 
> > > It would be great if you could file a "bug/wish report" at
> > > https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi
> > > 
> > > Anša
> > > 
> > > 2015-06-12 10:12 GMT+02:00 h3x32000-sf <h3x32000-sf@yahoo.de>:
> > > 
> > > > Hello,
> > > > 
> > > > i have a question about the parley stages:
> > > > Since updating to Parley 1.1.1 under debian, once wrong answered \
> > > > words remain in an inital stage and
> > > > do not re-enter in the vocabulary-pots anymore. Also the
> > > > blocking-configuration is not working as
> > > > expected for these words. It seems, there is a second \
> > > > level-structure called "confidence" that is
> > > > counting up. So, a right answered word doesnt jump to the secound \
> > > > pot
> > but
> > > > is remaining out of the
> > > > pots and the confidence level is counting up. In the top right \
> > > > corner in the practice window is then
> > > > written something like "initial, confidence 3"
> > > > 
> > > > How do i get rid of this?
> > > > 
> > > > Thak you for some help, i already asked google, but without \
> > > > sucess... 
> > > > Greets, P.
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
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