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From:       Aleix Pol <aleixpol () kde ! org>
Date:       2011-08-22 23:34:55
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On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Marco Calignano <marco.calignano@web.de>wrote:

>
>
> On 08/22/2011 10:54 PM, Aleix Pol wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Marco Calignano <marco.calignano@web.de>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 08/22/2011 03:15 PM, simion ploscariu wrote:
>>
>>> Hii,in my implementation i made the menu (that changed the difficulty)
>>> hidden and bring in front by a key combination(so kids can't change
>>> stuff or quit the application) but now i think that older kids can
>>> navigate a picture based menu. For animations we have a lot in Qt to
>>> use(to make cards dissapear or some other effect when a bad answer was
>>> given), also sound feedback is good to have.
>>> The code is easy to write, some nice themes would be nice, I
>>> downloaded and used images ,and i tried to make some animal themes.
>>> I had also the idea to create a database with images and sounds that
>>> can be reused in all kids games and software,maybe when i will have
>>> more time I will manage this(i will ask my wife to make some animal
>>> themes) but for sounds no idea how to generate or record those(you
>>> need some expensive equipment).
>>> Marco maybe you are interested in creating a larger framework for
>>> games for kids,have ideas .
>>>
>>  The Framework are probably the stuff  I am better at. I am colorblind so
>> do not ask me about color :) . I have musical skills so I could go into that
>> with a bit of work, but my favorite is programming Frame work.
>> I like to project them but here I need help from you. Untill now I worked
>> always at low lavel and since a couple of months I use QT to develop games
>> for my child. (I even bought a book for QT to learn properly)
>>
>> What Albert is saying answering Anne-Marie i find fascinating :
>>
>>>  >  More generally (this question is more for other KDE people) how do we
>>> >  develop an "active" app and a normal one all in one?
>>>   Not trivial, you have to almost develop separate UIs (or at least
>>> separate
>>>  paths in the same classes) so the recommendation is to keep a clear
>>> separation
>>>  between the logic and the UI so you can "plug" a new UI on top.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Something like that is something that I am ready to do.
>> I am impressed that my email stirred up all these answer and these Ideas.
>> I may repeat myself but I think i can work good for you with a bit of
>> direction from you.
>>
>> To go back at the program I could see a video of Kmemory in an rss feed
>> from last year and it is exactly what I mean.
>> I still did manage to compile the code and have it running on my machine
>> but i will (still problems with cmake).
>> I have suggestion for improving the kmemory game but I think like
>> anne-marie saays we should decide how we should proceed.
>> I already feel that we could do something cool.
>>
>> Thanks
>>  Marco
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf
>>> <annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun August 21 2011 23:23:53 Marco Calignano wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>> I am Marco and I have an idea for a new game. A memory game.
>>>>> This would be a game for the preschool section.
>>>>> I know my sun likes this game a lot and with a touch screen would be
>>>>> great.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are couple of identical figures, let's  say 10 different couples
>>>>> in total 20 cards.
>>>>> All the card are on the table covered in a grid 5x4. The Kid has to
>>>>> turn
>>>>> two of them and find the pairs.
>>>>> Of course if he wrong the card go back covered.
>>>>> He has to remember (that's way memory) where the card were and make new
>>>>> couple.
>>>>>
>>>>> I programmed already a little QT application to teach the connection
>>>>> between keyboard and computer also for my kid when he was younger.
>>>>> I would like to program or at least to help to program to the memory
>>>>> game if it will be developed.
>>>>>
>>>>> What are your opinions on that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Bye
>>>>>
>>>>> Marco
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Long ago when I was learning some programming I started such a Memory
>>>> game,
>>>> named Kard.
>>>> However the code is quite old and does not include all the new Qt 4.7
>>>> goodies!
>>>>
>>>> I think that at first we should work on the design to get a UI fit for
>>>> touch
>>>> devices.  Do you have any proposal for it (drawing maybe)? Mainly how to
>>>> change level (increased level is more cards) and how to change cards
>>>> theme.
>>>> Also what is difficult is what happen when 2 cards are discovered and do
>>>> not
>>>> match: kids usually keep clicking/touching cards. It's now easy to have
>>>> animations so the cards can be turned back but is there a need to give
>>>> some
>>>> feedback?
>>>> Also how to give feedback at the end of the game.
>>>>
>>>> Coding the app itself will not be so hard as KMemory could be the base
>>>> or
>>>> Simon's Memory one, especially if we are several people :-) But in my
>>>> opinion
>>>> it will only succeed if the design is already roughly sorted out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> More generally (this question is more for other KDE people) how do we
>>>> develop
>>>> an "active" app and a normal one all in one? was it discussed in the
>>>> Desktop
>>>> Summit? was anyone from KDE Edu at the Intel workshop? If so is there
>>>> someone
>>>> with a tablet who can test Simon's game and KMemory?
>>>>
>>>> Such an app is needed and is great fun for kids as well for aging people
>>>> to
>>>> help them maintain or recover their memory.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Anne-Marie
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
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>
> If you're interested in KMemory, maybe we can meet some day in IRC and
> discuss what can be done, I'm usually connected in #kde-edu, my nickname is
> apol.
>
> Sure no problem, but now I am also interested in what other is to do here
>
> Cheers
> Marco
>
>
>  Cheers!
> Aleix
>
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Well, I think that the most important is to polish the format that defines
the theme:
- make it possible to bundle a theme in a zip file
- make it possible to define the theme with a wildcard
- make it possible to have different media types: text or sounds could be
fun :)

Aleix

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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Marco Calignano <span \
dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marco.calignano@web.de">marco.calignano@web.de</a>&gt;</span> \
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px \
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">


  
    
  
  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div><div></div><div class="h5">
    <br>
    <br>
    On 08/22/2011 10:54 PM, Aleix Pol wrote:
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Marco
        Calignano <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marco.calignano@web.de" \
target="_blank">marco.calignano@web.de</a>&gt;</span>  wrote:<br>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex">  <div><br>
            <br>
            On 08/22/2011 03:15 PM, simion ploscariu wrote:<br>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px \
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">  Hii,in my implementation i made the menu (that changed \
the  difficulty)<br>
              hidden and bring in front by a key combination(so kids
              can&#39;t change<br>
              stuff or quit the application) but now i think that older
              kids can<br>
              navigate a picture based menu. For animations we have a
              lot in Qt to<br>
              use(to make cards dissapear or some other effect when a
              bad answer was<br>
              given), also sound feedback is good to have.<br>
              The code is easy to write, some nice themes would be nice,
              I<br>
              downloaded and used images ,and i tried to make some
              animal themes.<br>
              I had also the idea to create a database with images and
              sounds that<br>
              can be reused in all kids games and software,maybe when i
              will have<br>
              more time I will manage this(i will ask my wife to make
              some animal<br>
              themes) but for sounds no idea how to generate or record
              those(you<br>
              need some expensive equipment).<br>
              Marco maybe you are interested in creating a larger
              framework for<br>
              games for kids,have ideas .<br>
            </blockquote>
          </div>
          The Framework are probably the stuff   I am better at. I am
          colorblind so do not ask me about color :) . I have musical
          skills so I could go into that with a bit of work, but my
          favorite is programming Frame work.<br>
          I like to project them but here I need help from you. Untill
          now I worked always at low lavel and since a couple of months
          I use QT to develop games for my child. (I even bought a book
          for QT to learn properly)<br>
          <br>
          What Albert is saying answering Anne-Marie i find fascinating
          :<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px \
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">  <div>
              &gt;   More generally (this question is more for other KDE
              people) how do we<br>
              &gt;   develop an &quot;active&quot; app and a normal one all in \
one?<br>  </div>
            <div>
                Not trivial, you have to almost develop separate UIs (or
              at least separate<br>
                paths in the same classes) so the recommendation is to
              keep a clear separation<br>
                between the logic and the UI so you can &quot;plug&quot; a new UI
              on top.<br>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
          <br>
          <br>
          Something like that is something that I am ready to do.<br>
          I am impressed that my email stirred up all these answer and
          these Ideas.<br>
          I may repeat myself but I think i can work good for you with a
          bit of direction from you.<br>
          <br>
          To go back at the program I could see a video of Kmemory in an
          rss feed from last year and it is exactly what I mean.<br>
          I still did manage to compile the code and have it running on
          my machine but i will (still problems with cmake).<br>
          I have suggestion for improving the kmemory game but I think
          like anne-marie saays we should decide how we should proceed.<br>
          I already feel that we could do something cool.<br>
          <br>
          Thanks<br>
          <font color="#888888">
            Marco</font>
          <div>
            <div><br>
              <br>
              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 \
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">  <br>
                <br>
                On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf<br>
                &lt;<a href="mailto:annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr" \
target="_blank">annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr</a>&gt;  wrote:<br>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 \
                .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                  On Sun August 21 2011 23:23:53 Marco Calignano wrote:<br>
                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 \
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">  Hi everyone,<br>
                    I am Marco and I have an idea for a new game. A
                    memory game.<br>
                    This would be a game for the preschool section.<br>
                    I know my sun likes this game a lot and with a touch
                    screen would be great.<br>
                    <br>
                    There are couple of identical figures, let&#39;s   say 10
                    different couples<br>
                    in total 20 cards.<br>
                    All the card are on the table covered in a grid 5x4.
                    The Kid has to turn<br>
                    two of them and find the pairs.<br>
                    Of course if he wrong the card go back covered.<br>
                    He has to remember (that&#39;s way memory) where the
                    card were and make new<br>
                    couple.<br>
                    <br>
                    I programmed already a little QT application to
                    teach the connection<br>
                    between keyboard and computer also for my kid when
                    he was younger.<br>
                    I would like to program or at least to help to
                    program to the memory<br>
                    game if it will be developed.<br>
                    <br>
                    What are your opinions on that?<br>
                    <br>
                    Bye<br>
                    <br>
                    Marco<br>
                    <br>
                  </blockquote>
                  Hi,<br>
                  <br>
                  Long ago when I was learning some programming I
                  started such a Memory game,<br>
                  named Kard.<br>
                  However the code is quite old and does not include all
                  the new Qt 4.7 goodies!<br>
                  <br>
                  I think that at first we should work on the design to
                  get a UI fit for touch<br>
                  devices.   Do you have any proposal for it (drawing
                  maybe)? Mainly how to<br>
                  change level (increased level is more cards) and how
                  to change cards theme.<br>
                  Also what is difficult is what happen when 2 cards are
                  discovered and do not<br>
                  match: kids usually keep clicking/touching cards. It&#39;s
                  now easy to have<br>
                  animations so the cards can be turned back but is
                  there a need to give some<br>
                  feedback?<br>
                  Also how to give feedback at the end of the game.<br>
                  <br>
                  Coding the app itself will not be so hard as KMemory
                  could be the base or<br>
                  Simon&#39;s Memory one, especially if we are several
                  people :-) But in my opinion<br>
                  it will only succeed if the design is already roughly
                  sorted out.<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  More generally (this question is more for other KDE
                  people) how do we develop<br>
                  an &quot;active&quot; app and a normal one all in one? was it
                  discussed in the Desktop<br>
                  Summit? was anyone from KDE Edu at the Intel workshop?
                  If so is there someone<br>
                  with a tablet who can test Simon&#39;s game and KMemory?<br>
                  <br>
                  Such an app is needed and is great fun for kids as
                  well for aging people to<br>
                  help them maintain or recover their memory.<br>
                  <br>
                  Best regards,<br>
                  <br>
                  Anne-Marie<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
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                  <a href="mailto:kde-edu@mail.kde.org" \
                target="_blank">kde-edu@mail.kde.org</a><br>
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target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu</a><br>  <br>
                </blockquote>
                <br>
                <br>
              </blockquote>
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target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu</a><br>  </div>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div>If you&#39;re interested in KMemory, maybe we can meet some day
        in IRC and discuss what can be done, I&#39;m usually connected in
        #kde-edu, my nickname is apol.</div>
    </blockquote></div></div>
    Sure no problem, but now I am also interested in what other is to do
    here<br>
    <br>
    Cheers<br>
    Marco<br>
    <blockquote type="cite">
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      </div>
      <div>Cheers!</div>
      <div>Aleix</div><div class="im">
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<br></blockquote></div><br><div>Well, I think that the most important is to polish \
the format that defines the theme:</div><div>- make it possible to bundle a theme in \
a zip file</div><div>- make it possible to define the theme with a wildcard</div>

<div>- make it possible to have different media types: text or sounds could be fun \
:)</div><div><br></div><div>Aleix</div>



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