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Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: URGENT: Rocs inclusion and kdeedu module future
From: Aleix Pol <aleixpol () kde ! org>
Date: 2009-11-06 19:33:31
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On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf <
annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We have a new program ready for KDE 4.4 in playground/edu, Rocs, a Graph
> Theory program.
>
> Considering it is more specialized than other Edu applications, I asked the
> release-team about the opportunity of creating a new module: kdescience
> with Rocs and Cantor (and maybe Kyle). This is accepted as a possibility
> but
> there are other options.
> However soft feature freeze is tomorrow which implies that the decision
> should
> be taken today in order to be added to the feature plan.
>
> An option would be for KDE-Edu to be in the near future a project like
> KOffice,
> slightly detached from KDE main but we could still release at the same
> dates.
> This would make us stronger as a branding identity provided we have the
> resources to make it happen: logo, better website, ... At the moment I am
> too
> busy with personal life to take care of it (I am frequently away to see my
> parents, without internet and without time for KDE, I am sorry I cannot be
> more present to organize a meeting and boost us). However other people can
> step in to coordinate this (noneed tobe a developer!)
>
> So basically for the 4.4 release, we have several options:
> - include Rocs in kdeedu module and wait for 4.5 to make changes
> - create a kdescience module with Rocs and Cantor for 4.4 and see what we
> want
> to do for 4.5
> - make KDE-Edu a specific project which would need some special promotion
> and
> teamwork.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Anne-Marie
>
>
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>
Well, I've been thinking about that again, I'm saying quite a bit the same
but I'll try to develop a little bit more so that I can give you some idea
(maybe xD).
For now Rocs can stay inside KDE-Edu like all other application, but the
concern is still applicable, I think and it's something that we have to
solve in the (near) future.
If it's not possible to have a presencial kdeedu meeting (like we had in
paris) it would be good to have some in IRC at least. We should clarify
KDE-Edu's vision at this point, making presentations about KDE Edu is not as
easy as it should be, we need some straightforward way to tell
schools/teachers that with KDE they can find everything they need and how
are things intended.
Some help from kde-prom would be useful here I guess, since they have the
experience. Also we should get in contact with some major user of KDE-Edu,
that I suppose that somebody knows about one, but I don't, to know how do
they use it and why. There's no competitor to KDE-Edu as a package AFAIK, so
we can't just copy them :P.
About making KDE-Edu some module separated from KDE like KOffice is, I'm not
sure about that. In KDE-Edu we don't need different schedules I think, as
for KAlgebra I'm perfectly fine with KDE's and not having to think when I'm
going to release is something I like (I don't like thinking a lot as you see
:). We still can have our own identity by being a KDE module and I think
that being able to say we're part of KDE and we ship with KDE is
fundamental.
That's all, I hope I haven't been too boring ^^.
Aleix
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf <span \
dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr">annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr</a>></span> \
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, \
204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Hi,<br>
<br>
We have a new program ready for KDE 4.4 in playground/edu, Rocs, a Graph<br>
Theory program.<br>
<br>
Considering it is more specialized than other Edu applications, I asked the<br>
release-team about the opportunity of creating a new module: kdescience<br>
with Rocs and Cantor (and maybe Kyle). This is accepted as a possibility but<br>
there are other options.<br>
However soft feature freeze is tomorrow which implies that the decision should<br>
be taken today in order to be added to the feature plan.<br>
<br>
An option would be for KDE-Edu to be in the near future a project like KOffice,<br>
slightly detached from KDE main but we could still release at the same dates.<br>
This would make us stronger as a branding identity provided we have the<br>
resources to make it happen: logo, better website, ... At the moment I am too<br>
busy with personal life to take care of it (I am frequently away to see my<br>
parents, without internet and without time for KDE, I am sorry I cannot be<br>
more present to organize a meeting and boost us). However other people can<br>
step in to coordinate this (noneed tobe a developer!)<br>
<br>
So basically for the 4.4 release, we have several options:<br>
- include Rocs in kdeedu module and wait for 4.5 to make changes<br>
- create a kdescience module with Rocs and Cantor for 4.4 and see what we want<br>
to do for 4.5<br>
- make KDE-Edu a specific project which would need some special promotion and<br>
teamwork.<br>
<br>
What do you think?<br>
<br>
Anne-Marie<br>
<br>
<br>
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kde-edu mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:kde-edu@mail.kde.org">kde-edu@mail.kde.org</a><br>
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target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu</a><br> \
</blockquote></div><br>Well, I've been thinking about that again, I'm saying \
quite a bit the same but I'll try to develop a little bit more so that I can give \
you some idea (maybe xD).<br><br>For now Rocs can stay inside KDE-Edu like all other \
application, but the concern is still applicable, I think and it's something that \
we have to solve in the (near) future.<br><br>If it's not possible to have a
presencial kdeedu meeting (like we had in paris) it would be good to
have some in IRC at least. We should clarify KDE-Edu's vision at this
point, making presentations about KDE Edu is not as easy as it should
be, we need some straightforward way to tell schools/teachers that with
KDE they can find everything they need and how are things intended.<br>Some help from \
kde-prom would be useful here I guess, since they have the experience. Also we should \
get in contact with some major user of KDE-Edu, that I suppose that somebody knows \
about one, but I don't, to know how do they use it and why. There's no \
competitor to KDE-Edu as a package AFAIK, so we can't just copy them :P.<br>
<br>
About making KDE-Edu some module separated from KDE like KOffice is,
I'm not sure about that. In KDE-Edu we don't need different schedules I
think, as for KAlgebra I'm perfectly fine with KDE's and not having to
think when I'm going to release is something I like (I don't like thinking a \
lot as you see :). We still can have our own identity by being a KDE module and I \
think that being able to say we're part of KDE and we ship with KDE is \
fundamental.<br>
<br>That's all, I hope I haven't been too boring ^^.<br><br>Aleix<br>
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