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Do you people know something about Aritmetic?
Or similar?
Nice summer.
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> 1. Re: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu (Kevin Krammer)
> 2. Re: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu (Anne-Marie Mahfouf)
> 3. Re: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu (Kevin Krammer)
> 4. Re: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu (Patrick Spendrin)
> 5. Re: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu (Patrick Spendrin)
> 6. Re: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu (Alexander Rieder)
> 7. Re: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu (Alexander Rieder)
> 8. Re: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu (Patrick Spendrin)
> 9. FlashQard 0.14.0 uses KGeography data (Shahab Shirazi)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:29:44 +0200
> From: Kevin Krammer <kevin.krammer@gmx.at>
> Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu
> To: kde-edu@kde.org
> Message-ID: <200908241229.45120.kevin.krammer@gmx.at>
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> On Friday, 2009-08-21, Alexander Rieder wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > For the last months I've been coding on an application in Playground
> called
> > MathematiK(but I'm open for better name suggestions). It's a frontend for
> > other free software mathematics projects, giving them a nice KDE-based
> > Worksheet view like Maple or Mathematica offer. Lately it has matured
> quite
> > a bit, so I decided to ask you for inclusion into the KDE Edu 4.4
> release,
> > it's not perfect yet, but following the "release early, release often"
> > philosophy I'm really looking forward to get more people testing it. How
> do
> > you think about this? What are the steps I have to make to get MathematiK
> > included?
>
> Of course this is totally up to you, but I would recommend thinking about a
> different name before inclusion.
>
> One thing is that KDE programs in general moved away from highlighting K
> somewhere within the name by uppercasing it, because people never get this
> right when writing about it.
>
> Another thing is that it is extremely close to one of the competitor's
> name.
>
> Maybe there is some famous mathematician with K initials or a mathematic
> technique (similar to the product that it named "Derive")
>
> Cheers,
> Kevin
> --
> Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer
> KDE user support, developer mentoring
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> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:31:34 +0200
> From: "Anne-Marie Mahfouf" <annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr>
> Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu
> To: kde-edu@kde.org
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> Le lundi 24 ao?t 2009 12:29:44, Kevin Krammer a ?crit :
> > On Friday, 2009-08-21, Alexander Rieder wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > For the last months I've been coding on an application in Playground
> > > called MathematiK(but I'm open for better name suggestions). It's a
> > > frontend for other free software mathematics projects, giving them a
> nice
> > > KDE-based Worksheet view like Maple or Mathematica offer. Lately it has
> > > matured quite a bit, so I decided to ask you for inclusion into the KDE
> > > Edu 4.4 release, it's not perfect yet, but following the "release
> early,
> > > release often" philosophy I'm really looking forward to get more people
> > > testing it. How do you think about this? What are the steps I have to
> > > make to get MathematiK included?
> >
> > Of course this is totally up to you, but I would recommend thinking about
> a
> > different name before inclusion.
> >
> > One thing is that KDE programs in general moved away from highlighting K
> > somewhere within the name by uppercasing it, because people never get
> this
> > right when writing about it.
> >
> > Another thing is that it is extremely close to one of the competitor's
> > name.
> >
> > Maybe there is some famous mathematician with K initials or a mathematic
> > technique (similar to the product that it named "Derive")
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Kevin
> >
> I totally agree with that.
>
> A short reminder about the moving to kdeedu:
>
> The process for inclusion in kdeedu is to first move the application to
> kdereview and at the same time to describe it to kde-core-devel mailing
> list
> and ask for inclusion in kdeedu. The basic requirements are that it's as
> much
> as possible based on kdelibs, it builds well, it has a complete doc and it
> is
> i18n ready. Having a usability study for it and ensuring you did some
> profiling
> are nice additions.
> The application will stay for 2 weeks in kdereview where it gets peer
> review
> (usually in the form of answers on the kde-core-devel mailing list)
> If no problems are discovered it can be moved to kdeedu and a bug component
> canbe created for it as well as webpages. You might also considere to blog
> about it and to aggregate your blog on Planet KDE to create a buzz!
>
> More on http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/SVN_Guidelines
>
> Best regards,
>
> Anne-Marie
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:55:19 +0200
> From: Kevin Krammer <kevin.krammer@gmx.at>
> Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu
> To: kde-edu@kde.org
> Message-ID: <200908241355.19920.kevin.krammer@gmx.at>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15"
>
> On Monday, 2009-08-24, Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote:
>
> > A short reminder about the moving to kdeedu:
> >
> > The process for inclusion in kdeedu is to first move the application to
> > kdereview and at the same time to describe it to kde-core-devel mailing
> > list and ask for inclusion in kdeedu. The basic requirements are that
> it's
> > as much as possible based on kdelibs, it builds well, it has a complete
> doc
> > and it is i18n ready. Having a usability study for it and ensuring you
> did
> > some profiling are nice additions.
> > The application will stay for 2 weeks in kdereview where it gets peer
> > review (usually in the form of answers on the kde-core-devel mailing
> list)
> > If no problems are discovered it can be moved to kdeedu and a bug
> component
> > canbe created for it as well as webpages. You might also considere to
> blog
> > about it and to aggregate your blog on Planet KDE to create a buzz!
>
> Additionally there is the option of going into KDE extragear, permanently
> or
> even just for a while.
>
> We at KDE PIM do the latter for Akonadi resources provided by new
> developers,
> e.g the Google Data resource.
> It has the advantage that the author can do more releases at the beginning,
> e.g. two or three between KDE releases, can decide on release dates (e.g.
> delay if a critical bug is found), etc.
>
> The application is still being translated by KDE's localization teams, it
> can
> be tagged to automatically be included in a source tarball at KDE releases,
> etc.
>
> Famous extregear apps are Amarok and K3b.
>
> Cheers,
> Kevin
>
> --
> Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer
> KDE user support, developer mentoring
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> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:23:19 +0200
> From: Patrick Spendrin <ps_ml@gmx.de>
> Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu
> To: kde-edu@kde.org
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> Alexander Rieder schrieb:
> > Hi,
> >
> ...
> > Some of the current features are:
> ...
> > - Backends for:
> > - the Sage mathematics software (http://www.sagemath.org)
> > - the Maxima Computer Algebra System (http://maxima.sourceforge.net/)
> > - the R project for Statistical computing (http://www.r-project.org/)
> I just tried to compile mathematik on windows and I found some problems
> - - If R is not available, currently the build fails because you use
> message(FATAL_ERROR) in your FindR.cmake. I think I can try to fix this
> myself, if you don't mind (so that in the end
> macro_optional_find_package works).
> - - In both Maxima and Sage backends you use kptyprocess to start the
> runtime executables. As there are no ptys on windows, I would like to
> know if you really need to use it instead of kprocess directly? If I
> find the time, I will take a look into that as well, but I might need a
> bit longer for that.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alexander Rieder
> regards,
> Patrick
> > _______________________________________________
> > kde-edu mailing list
> > kde-edu@mail.kde.org
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:23:19 +0200
> From: Patrick Spendrin <ps_ml@gmx.de>
> Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu
> To: kde-edu@kde.org
> Cc: kde-edu@mail.kde.org
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> Alexander Rieder schrieb:
> > Hi,
> >
> ...
> > Some of the current features are:
> ...
> > - Backends for:
> > - the Sage mathematics software (http://www.sagemath.org)
> > - the Maxima Computer Algebra System (http://maxima.sourceforge.net/)
> > - the R project for Statistical computing (http://www.r-project.org/)
> I just tried to compile mathematik on windows and I found some problems
> - - If R is not available, currently the build fails because you use
> message(FATAL_ERROR) in your FindR.cmake. I think I can try to fix this
> myself, if you don't mind (so that in the end
> macro_optional_find_package works).
> - - In both Maxima and Sage backends you use kptyprocess to start the
> runtime executables. As there are no ptys on windows, I would like to
> know if you really need to use it instead of kprocess directly? If I
> find the time, I will take a look into that as well, but I might need a
> bit longer for that.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alexander Rieder
> regards,
> Patrick
> > _______________________________________________
> > kde-edu mailing list
> > kde-edu@mail.kde.org
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
> >
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:19:41 +0200
> From: Alexander Rieder <alexanderrieder@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu
> To: kde-edu@kde.org
> Message-ID: <200908241719.41832.alexanderrieder@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On Monday 24 August 2009 14:23:19 Patrick Spendrin wrote:
> > Alexander Rieder schrieb:
> > > Hi,
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > Some of the current features are:
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > - Backends for:
> > > - the Sage mathematics software (http://www.sagemath.org)
> > > - the Maxima Computer Algebra System (http://maxima.sourceforge.net/
> )
> > > - the R project for Statistical computing (http://www.r-project.org/
> )
> >
> > I just tried to compile mathematik on windows and I found some problems
> > - If R is not available, currently the build fails because you use
> > message(FATAL_ERROR) in your FindR.cmake. I think I can try to fix this
> > myself, if you don't mind (so that in the end
> > macro_optional_find_package works).
> Sure, go ahead, I don't really know how these CMake checks work anyway. The
> code for the FindR.cmake was taken from the RKward project
>
> > - In both Maxima and Sage backends you use kptyprocess to start the
> > runtime executables. As there are no ptys on windows, I would like to
> > know if you really need to use it instead of kprocess directly? If I
> > find the time, I will take a look into that as well, but I might need a
> > bit longer for that.
>
> I was first using KProcess, but i remember having some really strange
> problems
> with it (like some commands not working, while others do), but maybe it can
> be
> changed so it uses kprocess on windows (as the're is very little code that
> needs to be changed, and it's all in (Sage|Maxima)Session ).
>
> Bye,
> Alexander
> >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Alexander Rieder
> >
> > regards,
> > Patrick
> >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > kde-edu mailing list
> > > kde-edu@mail.kde.org
> > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > kde-edu mailing list
> > kde-edu@mail.kde.org
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:44:46 +0200
> From: Alexander Rieder <alexanderrieder@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu
> To: kde-edu@kde.org
> Message-ID: <200908242044.47170.alexanderrieder@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15"
>
> On Monday 24 August 2009 12:29:44 Kevin Krammer wrote:
> > On Friday, 2009-08-21, Alexander Rieder wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > For the last months I've been coding on an application in Playground
> > > called MathematiK(but I'm open for better name suggestions). It's a
> > > frontend for other free software mathematics projects, giving them a
> nice
> > > KDE-based Worksheet view like Maple or Mathematica offer. Lately it has
> > > matured quite a bit, so I decided to ask you for inclusion into the KDE
> > > Edu 4.4 release, it's not perfect yet, but following the "release
> early,
> > > release often" philosophy I'm really looking forward to get more people
> > > testing it. How do you think about this? What are the steps I have to
> > > make to get MathematiK included?
> >
> > Of course this is totally up to you, but I would recommend thinking about
> a
> > different name before inclusion.
> >
> > One thing is that KDE programs in general moved away from highlighting K
> > somewhere within the name by uppercasing it, because people never get
> this
> > right when writing about it.
> >
> > Another thing is that it is extremely close to one of the competitor's
> > name.
> >
> > Maybe there is some famous mathematician with K initials or a mathematic
> > technique (similar to the product that it named "Derive")
>
> I see, the name MathematiK was at first only chosen as a working title, as
> I
> totally suck at naming. The only other names I could come up with are:
> - Kauchy, after Augustin-Louis Cauchy
> - Cantor, after Georg Cantor
> - Kronecker, after Leopold Kronecker
> - or Konvergenz which is the german word for convergence
>
> I really hope somebody can give me a hint on how to call this thing.
>
> Bye,
> Alexander
>
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Kevin
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:49:11 +0200
> From: Patrick Spendrin <ps_ml@gmx.de>
> Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu
> To: kde-edu@kde.org
> Message-ID: <4A92E0A7.60802@gmx.de>
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> Alexander Rieder schrieb:
> > On Monday 24 August 2009 14:23:19 Patrick Spendrin wrote:
> >> Alexander Rieder schrieb:
> >>> Hi,
> >> ...
> >>
> >>> Some of the current features are:
> >> ...
> >>
> >>> - Backends for:
> >>> - the Sage mathematics software (http://www.sagemath.org)
> >>> - the Maxima Computer Algebra System (http://maxima.sourceforge.net/
> )
> >>> - the R project for Statistical computing (http://www.r-project.org/
> )
> >> I just tried to compile mathematik on windows and I found some problems
> >> - If R is not available, currently the build fails because you use
> >> message(FATAL_ERROR) in your FindR.cmake. I think I can try to fix this
> >> myself, if you don't mind (so that in the end
> >> macro_optional_find_package works).
> > Sure, go ahead, I don't really know how these CMake checks work anyway.
> The
> > code for the FindR.cmake was taken from the RKward project
> Ok, I will commit it directly to trunk if you don't mind.
> >
> >> - In both Maxima and Sage backends you use kptyprocess to start the
> >> runtime executables. As there are no ptys on windows, I would like to
> >> know if you really need to use it instead of kprocess directly? If I
> >> find the time, I will take a look into that as well, but I might need a
> >> bit longer for that.
> >
> > I was first using KProcess, but i remember having some really strange
> problems
> > with it (like some commands not working, while others do), but maybe it
> can be
> > changed so it uses kprocess on windows (as the're is very little code
> that
> > needs to be changed, and it's all in (Sage|Maxima)Session ).
> Looking at it, I just found out that Sage isn't available yet under
> windows, so maxima is the only one needed.
> I have a patch here that uses KProcess instead of KPtyProcess, but since
> it doesn't work correctly yet, I don't want to send it to you.
> If I can get it working here on windows, then we can test it under Linux
> too.
> >
> regards,
> Patrick
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>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 02:06:42 +0100
> From: Shahab Shirazi <shahab.sh.70@gmail.com>
> Subject: [kde-edu]: FlashQard 0.14.0 uses KGeography data
> To: kde-edu@kde.org
> Message-ID: <1251162402.20693.16.camel@Maloos>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Hi,
> A few days ago I sent an email to this mailing list and asked about
> using KGeography's data in my application.
> Well, the data are now being used in the new version of FlashQard
> (0.14.0)
>
> You might remember this software. A few months ago I asked about
> inclusion of FlashQard in kde-edu. But it was prefered to keep using
> Parley.
>
> Anyway, I thought it might be interesting for you to see how the data
> are being used.
> As it was mentioned in my last email, some of the maps are a bit
> modified. Capital cities are added to almost every map (of countries).
>
> Please visit the website of the project:
> http://flashqard-project.org
>
> and this is the download page:
> http://flashqard-project.org/download.php
>
> A big thank you goes to KGeography team for the great job.
>
> Kind regards,
> Shahab.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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1. Re: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu (Kevin Krammer)<br>
2. Re: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu (Anne-Marie Mahfouf)<br>
3. Re: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu (Kevin Krammer)<br>
4. Re: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu (Patrick Spendrin)<br>
5. Re: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu (Patrick Spendrin)<br>
6. Re: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu (Alexander Rieder)<br>
7. Re: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu (Alexander Rieder)<br>
8. Re: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu (Patrick Spendrin)<br>
9. FlashQard 0.14.0 uses KGeography data (Shahab Shirazi)<br>
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On Friday, 2009-08-21, Alexander Rieder wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> For the last months I've been coding on an application in Playground \
called<br> > MathematiK(but I'm open for better name suggestions). It's a \
frontend for<br> > other free software mathematics projects, giving them a nice \
KDE-based<br> > Worksheet view like Maple or Mathematica offer. Lately it has \
matured quite<br> > a bit, so I decided to ask you for inclusion into the KDE Edu \
4.4 release,<br> > it's not perfect yet, but following the "release \
early, release often"<br> > philosophy I'm really looking forward to get \
more people testing it. How do<br> > you think about this? What are the steps I \
have to make to get MathematiK<br> > included?<br>
<br>
Of course this is totally up to you, but I would recommend thinking about a<br>
different name before inclusion.<br>
<br>
One thing is that KDE programs in general moved away from highlighting K<br>
somewhere within the name by uppercasing it, because people never get this<br>
right when writing about it.<br>
<br>
Another thing is that it is extremely close to one of the competitor's name.<br>
<br>
Maybe there is some famous mathematician with K initials or a mathematic<br>
technique (similar to the product that it named "Derive")<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Kevin<br>
--<br>
Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer<br>
KDE user support, developer mentoring<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:31:34 +0200<br>
From: "Anne-Marie Mahfouf" <<a \
href="mailto:annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr">annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu<br>
To: <a href="mailto:kde-edu@kde.org">kde-edu@kde.org</a><br>
Message-ID: <200908241331.34982.><br>
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Le lundi 24 ao?t 2009 12:29:44, Kevin Krammer a ?crit :<br>
> On Friday, 2009-08-21, Alexander Rieder wrote:<br>
> > Hi,<br>
> ><br>
> > For the last months I've been coding on an application in \
Playground<br> > > called MathematiK(but I'm open for better name \
suggestions). It's a<br> > > frontend for other free software mathematics \
projects, giving them a nice<br> > > KDE-based Worksheet view like Maple or \
Mathematica offer. Lately it has<br> > > matured quite a bit, so I decided to \
ask you for inclusion into the KDE<br> > > Edu 4.4 release, it's not \
perfect yet, but following the "release early,<br> > > release often" \
philosophy I'm really looking forward to get more people<br> > > testing \
it. How do you think about this? What are the steps I have to<br> > > make to \
get MathematiK included?<br> ><br>
> Of course this is totally up to you, but I would recommend thinking about a<br>
> different name before inclusion.<br>
><br>
> One thing is that KDE programs in general moved away from highlighting K<br>
> somewhere within the name by uppercasing it, because people never get this<br>
> right when writing about it.<br>
><br>
> Another thing is that it is extremely close to one of the competitor's<br>
> name.<br>
><br>
> Maybe there is some famous mathematician with K initials or a mathematic<br>
> technique (similar to the product that it named "Derive")<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Kevin<br>
><br>
I totally agree with that.<br>
<br>
A short reminder about the moving to kdeedu:<br>
<br>
The process for inclusion in kdeedu is to first move the application to<br>
kdereview and at the same time to describe it to kde-core-devel mailing list<br>
and ask for inclusion in kdeedu. The basic requirements are that it's as much<br>
as possible based on kdelibs, it builds well, it has a complete doc and it is<br>
i18n ready. Having a usability study for it and ensuring you did some profiling<br>
are nice additions.<br>
The application will stay for 2 weeks in kdereview where it gets peer review<br>
(usually in the form of answers on the kde-core-devel mailing list)<br>
If no problems are discovered it can be moved to kdeedu and a bug component<br>
canbe created for it as well as webpages. You might also considere to blog<br>
about it and to aggregate your blog on Planet KDE to create a buzz!<br>
<br>
More on <a href="http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/SVN_Guidelines" \
target="_blank">http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/SVN_Guidelines</a><br> <br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Anne-Marie<br>
<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:55:19 +0200<br>
From: Kevin Krammer <<a \
href="mailto:kevin.krammer@gmx.at">kevin.krammer@gmx.at</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu<br>
To: <a href="mailto:kde-edu@kde.org">kde-edu@kde.org</a><br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:200908241355.19920.kevin.krammer@gmx.at">200908241355.19920.kevin.krammer@gmx.at</a>><br>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15"<br>
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On Monday, 2009-08-24, Anne-Marie Mahfouf wrote:<br>
<br>
> A short reminder about the moving to kdeedu:<br>
><br>
> The process for inclusion in kdeedu is to first move the application to<br>
> kdereview and at the same time to describe it to kde-core-devel mailing<br>
> list and ask for inclusion in kdeedu. The basic requirements are that \
it's<br> > as much as possible based on kdelibs, it builds well, it has a \
complete doc<br> > and it is i18n ready. Having a usability study for it and \
ensuring you did<br> > some profiling are nice additions.<br>
> The application will stay for 2 weeks in kdereview where it gets peer<br>
> review (usually in the form of answers on the kde-core-devel mailing list)<br>
> If no problems are discovered it can be moved to kdeedu and a bug component<br>
> canbe created for it as well as webpages. You might also considere to blog<br>
> about it and to aggregate your blog on Planet KDE to create a buzz!<br>
<br>
Additionally there is the option of going into KDE extragear, permanently or<br>
even just for a while.<br>
<br>
We at KDE PIM do the latter for Akonadi resources provided by new developers,<br>
e.g the Google Data resource.<br>
It has the advantage that the author can do more releases at the beginning,<br>
e.g. two or three between KDE releases, can decide on release dates (e.g.<br>
delay if a critical bug is found), etc.<br>
<br>
The application is still being translated by KDE's localization teams, it can<br>
be tagged to automatically be included in a source tarball at KDE releases,<br>
etc.<br>
<br>
Famous extregear apps are Amarok and K3b.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Kevin<br>
<br>
--<br>
Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer<br>
KDE user support, developer mentoring<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:23:19 +0200<br>
From: Patrick Spendrin <<a href="mailto:ps_ml@gmx.de">ps_ml@gmx.de</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu<br>
To: <a href="mailto:kde-edu@kde.org">kde-edu@kde.org</a><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:kde-edu@mail.kde.org">kde-edu@mail.kde.org</a><br>
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Alexander Rieder schrieb:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
...<br>
> Some of the current features are:<br>
...<br>
> - Backends for:<br>
> - the Sage mathematics software (<a href="http://www.sagemath.org" \
target="_blank">http://www.sagemath.org</a>)<br> > - the Maxima Computer Algebra \
System (<a href="http://maxima.sourceforge.net/" \
target="_blank">http://maxima.sourceforge.net/</a>)<br> > - the R project for \
Statistical computing (<a href="http://www.r-project.org/" \
target="_blank">http://www.r-project.org/</a>)<br> I just tried to compile mathematik \
on windows and I found some problems<br>
- - If R is not available, currently the build fails because you use<br>
message(FATAL_ERROR) in your FindR.cmake. I think I can try to fix this<br>
myself, if you don't mind (so that in the end<br>
macro_optional_find_package works).<br>
- - In both Maxima and Sage backends you use kptyprocess to start the<br>
runtime executables. As there are no ptys on windows, I would like to<br>
know if you really need to use it instead of kprocess directly? If I<br>
find the time, I will take a look into that as well, but I might need a<br>
bit longer for that.<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Alexander Rieder<br>
regards,<br>
Patrick<br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> kde-edu mailing list<br>
> <a href="mailto:kde-edu@mail.kde.org">kde-edu@mail.kde.org</a><br>
> <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu</a><br> ><br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:23:19 +0200<br>
From: Patrick Spendrin <<a href="mailto:ps_ml@gmx.de">ps_ml@gmx.de</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu<br>
To: <a href="mailto:kde-edu@kde.org">kde-edu@kde.org</a><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:kde-edu@mail.kde.org">kde-edu@mail.kde.org</a><br>
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Alexander Rieder schrieb:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
...<br>
> Some of the current features are:<br>
...<br>
> - Backends for:<br>
> - the Sage mathematics software (<a href="http://www.sagemath.org" \
target="_blank">http://www.sagemath.org</a>)<br> > - the Maxima Computer Algebra \
System (<a href="http://maxima.sourceforge.net/" \
target="_blank">http://maxima.sourceforge.net/</a>)<br> > - the R project for \
Statistical computing (<a href="http://www.r-project.org/" \
target="_blank">http://www.r-project.org/</a>)<br> I just tried to compile mathematik \
on windows and I found some problems<br>
- - If R is not available, currently the build fails because you use<br>
message(FATAL_ERROR) in your FindR.cmake. I think I can try to fix this<br>
myself, if you don't mind (so that in the end<br>
macro_optional_find_package works).<br>
- - In both Maxima and Sage backends you use kptyprocess to start the<br>
runtime executables. As there are no ptys on windows, I would like to<br>
know if you really need to use it instead of kprocess directly? If I<br>
find the time, I will take a look into that as well, but I might need a<br>
bit longer for that.<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Alexander Rieder<br>
regards,<br>
Patrick<br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> kde-edu mailing list<br>
> <a href="mailto:kde-edu@mail.kde.org">kde-edu@mail.kde.org</a><br>
> <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu</a><br> ><br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:19:41 +0200<br>
From: Alexander Rieder <<a \
href="mailto:alexanderrieder@gmail.com">alexanderrieder@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu<br>
To: <a href="mailto:kde-edu@kde.org">kde-edu@kde.org</a><br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:200908241719.41832.alexanderrieder@gmail.com">200908241719.41832.alexanderrieder@gmail.com</a>><br>
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On Monday 24 August 2009 14:23:19 Patrick Spendrin wrote:<br>
> Alexander Rieder schrieb:<br>
> > Hi,<br>
><br>
> ...<br>
><br>
> > Some of the current features are:<br>
><br>
> ...<br>
><br>
> > - Backends for:<br>
> > - the Sage mathematics software (<a href="http://www.sagemath.org" \
target="_blank">http://www.sagemath.org</a>)<br> > > - the Maxima Computer \
Algebra System (<a href="http://maxima.sourceforge.net/" \
target="_blank">http://maxima.sourceforge.net/</a>)<br> > > - the R project \
for Statistical computing (<a href="http://www.r-project.org/" \
target="_blank">http://www.r-project.org/</a>)<br> ><br>
> I just tried to compile mathematik on windows and I found some problems<br>
> - If R is not available, currently the build fails because you use<br>
> message(FATAL_ERROR) in your FindR.cmake. I think I can try to fix this<br>
> myself, if you don't mind (so that in the end<br>
> macro_optional_find_package works).<br>
Sure, go ahead, I don't really know how these CMake checks work anyway. The<br>
code for the FindR.cmake was taken from the RKward project<br>
<br>
> - In both Maxima and Sage backends you use kptyprocess to start the<br>
> runtime executables. As there are no ptys on windows, I would like to<br>
> know if you really need to use it instead of kprocess directly? If I<br>
> find the time, I will take a look into that as well, but I might need a<br>
> bit longer for that.<br>
<br>
I was first using KProcess, but i remember having some really strange problems<br>
with it (like some commands not working, while others do), but maybe it can be<br>
changed so it uses kprocess on windows (as the're is very little code that<br>
needs to be changed, and it's all in (Sage|Maxima)Session ).<br>
<br>
Bye,<br>
Alexander<br>
><br>
> > Cheers,<br>
> > Alexander Rieder<br>
><br>
> regards,<br>
> Patrick<br>
><br>
> > _______________________________________________<br>
> > kde-edu mailing list<br>
> > <a href="mailto:kde-edu@mail.kde.org">kde-edu@mail.kde.org</a><br>
> > <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu</a><br> ><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> kde-edu mailing list<br>
> <a href="mailto:kde-edu@mail.kde.org">kde-edu@mail.kde.org</a><br>
> <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu</a><br> ><br>
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Message: 7<br>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:44:46 +0200<br>
From: Alexander Rieder <<a \
href="mailto:alexanderrieder@gmail.com">alexanderrieder@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu<br>
To: <a href="mailto:kde-edu@kde.org">kde-edu@kde.org</a><br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:200908242044.47170.alexanderrieder@gmail.com">200908242044.47170.alexanderrieder@gmail.com</a>><br>
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On Monday 24 August 2009 12:29:44 Kevin Krammer wrote:<br>
> On Friday, 2009-08-21, Alexander Rieder wrote:<br>
> > Hi,<br>
> ><br>
> > For the last months I've been coding on an application in \
Playground<br> > > called MathematiK(but I'm open for better name \
suggestions). It's a<br> > > frontend for other free software mathematics \
projects, giving them a nice<br> > > KDE-based Worksheet view like Maple or \
Mathematica offer. Lately it has<br> > > matured quite a bit, so I decided to \
ask you for inclusion into the KDE<br> > > Edu 4.4 release, it's not \
perfect yet, but following the "release early,<br> > > release often" \
philosophy I'm really looking forward to get more people<br> > > testing \
it. How do you think about this? What are the steps I have to<br> > > make to \
get MathematiK included?<br> ><br>
> Of course this is totally up to you, but I would recommend thinking about a<br>
> different name before inclusion.<br>
><br>
> One thing is that KDE programs in general moved away from highlighting K<br>
> somewhere within the name by uppercasing it, because people never get this<br>
> right when writing about it.<br>
><br>
> Another thing is that it is extremely close to one of the competitor's<br>
> name.<br>
><br>
> Maybe there is some famous mathematician with K initials or a mathematic<br>
> technique (similar to the product that it named "Derive")<br>
<br>
I see, the name MathematiK was at first only chosen as a working title, as I<br>
totally suck at naming. The only other names I could come up with are:<br>
- Kauchy, after Augustin-Louis Cauchy<br>
- Cantor, after Georg Cantor<br>
- Kronecker, after Leopold Kronecker<br>
- or Konvergenz which is the german word for convergence<br>
<br>
I really hope somebody can give me a hint on how to call this thing.<br>
<br>
Bye,<br>
Alexander<br>
<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Kevin<br>
><br>
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Message: 8<br>
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:49:11 +0200<br>
From: Patrick Spendrin <<a href="mailto:ps_ml@gmx.de">ps_ml@gmx.de</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: inclusion of MathematiK in kdeedu<br>
To: <a href="mailto:kde-edu@kde.org">kde-edu@kde.org</a><br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:4A92E0A7.60802@gmx.de">4A92E0A7.60802@gmx.de</a>><br>
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Alexander Rieder schrieb:<br>
> On Monday 24 August 2009 14:23:19 Patrick Spendrin wrote:<br>
>> Alexander Rieder schrieb:<br>
>>> Hi,<br>
>> ...<br>
>><br>
>>> Some of the current features are:<br>
>> ...<br>
>><br>
>>> - Backends for:<br>
>>> - the Sage mathematics software (<a href="http://www.sagemath.org" \
target="_blank">http://www.sagemath.org</a>)<br> >>> - the Maxima Computer \
Algebra System (<a href="http://maxima.sourceforge.net/" \
target="_blank">http://maxima.sourceforge.net/</a>)<br> >>> - the R \
project for Statistical computing (<a href="http://www.r-project.org/" \
target="_blank">http://www.r-project.org/</a>)<br> >> I just tried to compile \
mathematik on windows and I found some problems<br> >> - If R is not available, \
currently the build fails because you use<br> >> message(FATAL_ERROR) in your \
FindR.cmake. I think I can try to fix this<br> >> myself, if you don't mind \
(so that in the end<br> >> macro_optional_find_package works).<br>
> Sure, go ahead, I don't really know how these CMake checks work anyway. \
The<br> > code for the FindR.cmake was taken from the RKward project<br>
Ok, I will commit it directly to trunk if you don't mind.<br>
><br>
>> - In both Maxima and Sage backends you use kptyprocess to start the<br>
>> runtime executables. As there are no ptys on windows, I would like to<br>
>> know if you really need to use it instead of kprocess directly? If I<br>
>> find the time, I will take a look into that as well, but I might need a<br>
>> bit longer for that.<br>
><br>
> I was first using KProcess, but i remember having some really strange \
problems<br> > with it (like some commands not working, while others do), but \
maybe it can be<br> > changed so it uses kprocess on windows (as the're is \
very little code that<br> > needs to be changed, and it's all in \
(Sage|Maxima)Session ).<br> Looking at it, I just found out that Sage isn't \
available yet under<br> windows, so maxima is the only one needed.<br>
I have a patch here that uses KProcess instead of KPtyProcess, but since<br>
it doesn't work correctly yet, I don't want to send it to you.<br>
If I can get it working here on windows, then we can test it under Linux<br>
too.<br>
><br>
regards,<br>
Patrick<br>
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Message: 9<br>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 02:06:42 +0100<br>
From: Shahab Shirazi <<a \
href="mailto:shahab.sh.70@gmail.com">shahab.sh.70@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [kde-edu]: FlashQard 0.14.0 uses KGeography data<br>
To: <a href="mailto:kde-edu@kde.org">kde-edu@kde.org</a><br>
Message-ID: <1251162402.20693.16.camel@Maloos><br>
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Hi,<br>
A few days ago I sent an email to this mailing list and asked about<br>
using KGeography's data in my application.<br>
Well, the data are now being used in the new version of FlashQard<br>
(0.14.0)<br>
<br>
You might remember this software. A few months ago I asked about<br>
inclusion of FlashQard in kde-edu. But it was prefered to keep using<br>
Parley.<br>
<br>
Anyway, I thought it might be interesting for you to see how the data<br>
are being used.<br>
As it was mentioned in my last email, some of the maps are a bit<br>
modified. Capital cities are added to almost every map (of countries).<br>
<br>
Please visit the website of the project:<br>
<a href="http://flashqard-project.org" \
target="_blank">http://flashqard-project.org</a><br> <br>
and this is the download page:<br>
<a href="http://flashqard-project.org/download.php" \
target="_blank">http://flashqard-project.org/download.php</a><br> <br>
A big thank you goes to KGeography team for the great job.<br>
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Kind regards,<br>
Shahab.<br>
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