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From: Louis Ricard <louis.ricard () polytechnique ! edu>
Date: 2009-07-24 17:18:17
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Hi all.
The term "shapely colors" is exactly what you cite from Rasmol.
It has nothing to do with shape and is a coloring convention
that a biochemist would probably recognize.
> Linus Östberg wrote:
>> I'm not in any way related to Kalzium, but involved in biomedical
>> research.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Orestes Mas <orestes@tsc.upc.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've some doubts regarding the translation of some english words /
>>> expressions in Kalzium, and need further clarification by the
>>> developers:
>>>
>>> 1) What exactly do you mean with "Shapely Colors"? (i.e. the
>>> meaning of adverb "shapely" applied to colors)
>>>
>>
>> I believe it's named that way since that's how it's named in rasmol.
>> In my opinion it should be kept that way in order to keep consistency
>> with other applications with equal functionality.
>>
>> "The RasMol shapely color scheme color codes residues by amino acid
>> property. This scheme is based upon Bob Fletterick's "Shapely
>> Models".
>> Each amino acid and nucleic acid residue is given a unique color. The
>> shapely color scheme is used by David Bacon's Raster3D program [4].
>> This color scheme is similar to the amino color scheme. Shapely can
>> be
>> selected from the RasMol Colours menu."
>> http://life.nthu.edu.tw/~fmhsu/rasframe/COLORS.HTM#shapelycolors
>>
The following is inexact in Avogadro: the translation reads as
'Couleurs "shapely" '
and was also endorsed by my fellow Benoît Jacob. Any other translation
is in my
opinion false and misleading: the one proposed a few hours ago in
kalzium,
"Couleurs galbées" is alltogether wrong.
>>
>>> 3) If my beliefs concerning (2) are true, then may be (1) is
>>> related to the way amino-acids are colored in a molecule, so in
>>> this case may be "Shapely Colors" should change to something more
>>> clear as "According to shape".
>>> "Shapely colors" is so misleading that translation teams are
>>> translating this in very creative ways: French translation is
>>> something like "lathed colors", and spanish one is "Well-formed
>>> colors"...
>>>
>>
>> As mentioned, I think the current naming should be kept. I have no
>> idea how to translate it though.
>>
>
> I agree with Linus here.
>
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Sometimes, shop talk is untranslatable.
Louis
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<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; \
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Hi all.</div><div><br></div><div>The \
term "shapely colors" is exactly what you cite from Rasmol.</div><div>It has nothing \
to do with shape and is a coloring convention</div><div>that a biochemist would \
probably recognize.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><blockquote \
type="cite"><div>Linus Östberg wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">I'm not in any way \
related to Kalzium, but involved in biomedical research.<br></blockquote><blockquote \
type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 6:37 PM, \
Orestes Mas <<a href="mailto:orestes@tsc.upc.edu">orestes@tsc.upc.edu</a>> \
wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote \
type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I've some doubts regarding the translation of \
some english words / expressions in Kalzium, and need further clarification by the \
developers:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote \
type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote \
type="cite">1) What exactly do you mean with "Shapely Colors"? (i.e. the meaning of \
adverb "shapely" applied to colors)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote \
type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote \
type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I believe it's named that way \
since that's how it's named in rasmol.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">In my \
opinion it should be kept that way in order to keep \
consistency<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">with other applications with \
equal functionality.<br></blockquote><blockquote \
type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">"The RasMol shapely color scheme \
color codes residues by amino acid<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">property. \
This scheme is based upon Bob Fletterick's "Shapely \
Models".<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Each amino acid and nucleic acid \
residue is given a unique color. The<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">shapely \
color scheme is used by David Bacon's Raster3D program \
[4].<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">This color scheme is similar to the \
amino color scheme. Shapely can be<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">selected \
from the RasMol Colours menu."<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a \
href="http://life.nthu.edu.tw/~fmhsu/rasframe/COLORS.HTM#shapelycolors">http://life.nt \
hu.edu.tw/~fmhsu/rasframe/COLORS.HTM#shapelycolors</a><br></blockquote><blockquote \
type="cite"><br></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>The \
following is inexact in Avogadro: the translation reads as 'Couleurs "shapely" \
'</div><div>and was also endorsed by my fellow Benoît Jacob. Any other translation is \
in my</div><div>opinion false and misleading: the one proposed a few hours ago in \
kalzium,</div><div>"<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; \
font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; \
-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">Couleurs galbées" is alltogether \
wrong.</span></div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><blockquote \
type="cite"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#144FAE"><font \
class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></font></blockquote><blockquote \
type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">3) If my beliefs concerning (2) are true, then \
may be (1) is related to the way amino-acids are colored in a molecule, so in this \
case may be "Shapely Colors" should change to something more clear as "According to \
shape".<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote \
type="cite">"Shapely colors" is so misleading that translation teams are translating \
this in very creative ways: French translation is something like "lathed colors", and \
spanish one is "Well-formed colors"...<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote \
type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote \
type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">As mentioned, I think the \
current naming should be kept. I have no<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">idea \
how to translate it though.<br></blockquote><blockquote \
type="cite"><br></blockquote><br>I agree with Linus \
here.<br><br>------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>_______________________________________________<br>Avogadro-devel \
mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Avogadro-devel@lists.sourceforge.net">Avogadro-devel@l \
ists.sourceforge.net</a><br>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/avogadro-devel<br><br></div></blockquote></div><br><div>Sometimes, \
shop talk is untranslatable.</div><div><br></div><div>Louis</div></body></html>
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