[prev in list] [next in list] [prev in thread] [next in thread] 

List:       kde-edu-devel
Subject:    [kde-edu-devel] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: [kde-edu]: Re: kdeedu
From:       Anne-Marie MAHFOUF <a-m.mahfouf () lineone ! net>
Date:       2002-04-24 21:12:29
[Download RAW message or body]

Please read the following carefully.
I don't know what to think. I feel he mixes internationalization with data.

I don't feel like carrying on without asking kde-core whether the kdeedu 
module should go on or what.
I invested a lot of time in this project and if it is to hear that it does 
not fit in KDE then I better stop now.
I cannot imagine a kind of policy which would exclude all languages apps 
(which are the most asked for from users).
I know we must unify stuff but was Rome built in 3 days??? Of course we will 
eventually come with a conjugation app for western languages but I don't 
think that we have enough developers to do that right now.  
I think that given 6 more months we'll reach a common look and feel and we'll 
share data, we'll unify progs. This just needs a bit of time. I know that all 
the developers do their best and I am really proud of what we achieved so far.

I feel a bit low this evening, I don't know what to answer to Thomas, I don't 
know what to think.
If someone could ask the core KDE team what they think about all that, I 
would be grateful. 

annma

----------  Forwarded Message  ----------

Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [kde-edu]: Re: kdeedu
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:43:03 +0200
From: Thomas Diehl <thd@kde.org>
To: kde-devel@kde.org
Cc: Anne-Marie MAHFOUF <a-m.mahfouf@lineone.net>

Am Mittwoch, 24. April 2002 20:16 schrieb Anne-Marie MAHFOUF:
> > > On Wednesday 24 April 2002 14:03, Erik Kjær Pedersen wrote:
> > > > The kdeedu module is getting really strange. There are some
> > > > beautiful programs in htere like kstars, but training norwegian
> > > > verbs and something in spanish that I don't understand?
>
> Isn't it education that to learn new languages?

Of course. But please consider the perspective of international users while
designing the program or when picking already designed ones.

It makes sense to have a something like KVocTrain in an international
distribution where you can put in every kind of vocabulary in every
language. It makes sense to have KTuberling where you can put in sound
files for every language. It makes sense to have KTouch where you can
provide training material for every language. But I don't think it would
make sense to confront foreign users (and translators) with anything they
absolutely cannot use without a lot of 3rd-party material.

Please be aware that I'm just talking about the "policy" here. I don't know
if this actually is the case with the programs in question (did not have a
chance to look at them yet). Anyway, this policy is not just used on edu
programs. KDE core mostly tries to only include programs which hopefully
meet the needs of somewhat bigger international target groups (yes, I know
this is not an exact science).
//kids are not a big international target group?

This, of course, does not mean that there is no need for extremely
specialized apps or things of regional interest. (On the contrary!) But if
they cannot be i18n-ed properly they shouldn't be included with the
international core distribution of KDE.
//annma: what does he mean by i18n-ed properly?

> KLettres: internationalised. Ok but it needs sounds in the different
> languages. I have the sounds for the Dutch  (thanks to Geert, a Dutch
> teacher) and French (thanks to myself) languages. Where could I find the
> sounds for the other languages?

You don't have to. They can be provided by translation teams just the way as
in KTuberling. If they don't do it it's their own fault. The important thing
is that it must be _possible_ to internationalize the program.
//annma: he does not get it with data. An English set of words with a common 
//grammar rule cannot be translated into German, it will mean nothing. As in 
//KLettres "me" is a basic syllable in French but not in some other languages.

> Policy: We are trying to define a policy.
> Isn't it educative to learn spanish verbs? or Norvegian verbs?

I guess I will have to look on the programs in questions before I can
comment on that one. But I would maintain that they have to meet the
above guidelines. _If_ they cannot be used with lots of additional training
material or are only of regional interest they should not be in KDE.
You cannot compare this to an editor which gets translated to 50
languages and can be used worldwide by everybody in need of such
a program.

Regards,

Thomas

--
KDE translation: http://i18n.kde.org/
Deutsche KDE-Uebersetzung: http://i18n.kde.org/teams/de/

-------------------------------------------------------
_______________________________________________
kde-edu-devel mailing list
kde-edu-devel@mail.kde.org
http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu-devel
[prev in list] [next in list] [prev in thread] [next in thread]