'Re: [kde-edu]: This KDE Science thing'

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Subject: Re: [kde-edu]: This KDE Science thing
From: Thomas Thym <ungethym () mevin ! net>
Date: 2010-07-20 12:24:54
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When I see it right, we are facing two different tasks.
1. The structure of the development of our applications and
2. The marketing / promotion of our software.

1. Development of the specific applications
From the programming and maintaining point of view I totally agree with
Aleix to focus on one modul and therefore try to integrate the scientific
KDE applications as well. (Perhaps it could be renamed in "KDE Education and
Science" in the future if absolutely necessary.)

2. Marketing / "Selling" of the software package
Our mainpages ([1], [2] and [3]) as it seems to me are (still) structured
for developers and could be improved for users. Users are looking for
solutions for their problems. As I read and heard in the last days schools
and universities use a bunch of KDE (and other Open Source) apps through
many "modules" (KDE-Edu apps as well as Krita, KOffice, the KDE Workspace
and even OpenOffice.org).
I am not sure if it is our core task to promote whole education packages or
to promote our software to already existing promoters of FLOSS at schools
(e.g. Skolelinux, OpenSUSE l-i-f-e, etc.). Both things will help us. I am
open for both solutions.

My first step: I created a Wiki page [4] to collect some ideas to show the
potential of KDE Software at schools from a user perspective. Please feel
free to improve it.
If such a page exists yet, please let me know.

Does it make sense to build an equal page for KDE 4 Scientists, too?

Cheers,
Thomas

[1] http://kde.org
[2] http://kde.org/applications/education/
[3] http://edu.kde.org/
[4] http://community.kde.org/User:Ungethym/KDE4Schools

2010/7/19 Aleix Pol <aleixpol@kde.org>

> On Saturday 17 July 2010 00:57:18 Akarsh Simha wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I was at Akademy, attended Stuart's talk, but couldn't make it to the
> > BoF. In any case, I was wondering if a KDE science could be a good
> > place for apps that are not education per se, but more research
> > oriented stuff, to go into.
> >
> > Let me pick an example app -- say I write a KDE front-end to an
> > astronomical image processing program -- I don't think there's a place
> > to put that as yet in KDE. I am inclined to believe that Cantor (but
> > not Step) would possibly be better in such a place. Apart from that,
> > there's a lot of scope for a lot more KDE applications to come up into
> > KDE science -- I can think of a few potential apps in Physics (but of
> > course, we do need coders!). Maybe creating a module called KDE
> > science will spur up some action.
> >
> > Regards
> > Akarsh
> > _______________________________________________
> > kde-edu mailing list
> > kde-edu@mail.kde.org
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
>
> That depends a lot on what you do consider for education. Getting to know
> more
> things is both science and education. I understand the target is a little
> different but I don't think it is that much.
>
> If we consider we need two different coordinations it's fine to have a
> separate
> module but that would double quite some effort. We can see that KDE Science
> iniciative as a promoting KDE (overall) for science creation and let the
> programs to be organized as they are now. I'd say it's the science
> developers
> who should decide if they want to organize separatedly, but given that this
> iniciative is coming from promo I don't see a reason for splitting
> development
> modules.
>
> Aleix
> _______________________________________________
> kde-edu mailing list
> kde-edu@mail.kde.org
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
>

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When I see it right, we are facing two different tasks. 1. The structure of the \
development of our applications and 2. The marketing / promotion of our \
software. 1. Development of the specific applications From the programming \
and maintaining point of view I totally agree with Aleix to focus on one modul and \
therefore try to integrate the scientific KDE applications as well. (Perhaps it could \
be renamed in &quot;KDE Education and Science&quot; in the future if absolutely \
necessary.) 2. Marketing / &quot;Selling&quot; of the software package Our \
mainpages ([1], [2] and [3]) as it seems to me are (still) structured for developers \
and could be improved for users. Users are looking for solutions for their problems. \
As I read and heard in the last days schools and universities use a bunch of KDE (and \
other Open Source) apps through many &quot;modules&quot; (KDE-Edu apps as well as \
Krita, KOffice, the KDE Workspace and even OpenOffice.org). I am not sure if it \
is our core task to promote whole education packages or to promote our software to \
already existing promoters of FLOSS at schools (e.g. Skolelinux, OpenSUSE l-i-f-e, \
etc.). Both things will help us. I am open for both solutions. My first step: \
I created a Wiki page [4] to collect some ideas to show the potential of KDE Software \
at schools from a user perspective. Please feel free to improve it. If such a page \
exists yet, please let me know. Does it make sense to build an equal page \
for KDE 4 Scientists, too? Cheers, Thomas [1] <a \
href="http://kde.org">http://kde.org</a> [2] <a \
href="http://kde.org/applications/education/">http://kde.org/applications/education/</a> 
 [3] <a href="http://edu.kde.org/">http://edu.kde.org/</a> [4] <a \
href="http://community.kde.org/User:Ungethym/KDE4Schools">http://community.kde.org/User:Ungethym/KDE4Schools</a> <div \
class="gmail_quote">2010/7/19 Aleix Pol &lt;<a \
href="mailto:aleixpol@kde.org">aleixpol@kde.org</a>&gt; <blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt \
0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Saturday 17 July \
2010 00:57:18 Akarsh Simha wrote: &gt; Hi 
&gt; 
&gt; I was at Akademy, attended Stuart&#39;s talk, but couldn&#39;t make it to \
the &gt; BoF. In any case, I was wondering if a KDE science could be a good 
&gt; place for apps that are not education per se, but more research 
&gt; oriented stuff, to go into. 
&gt; 
&gt; Let me pick an example app -- say I write a KDE front-end to an 
&gt; astronomical image processing program -- I don&#39;t think there&#39;s a \
place &gt; to put that as yet in KDE. I am inclined to believe that Cantor \
(but &gt; not Step) would possibly be better in such a place. Apart from \
that, &gt; there&#39;s a lot of scope for a lot more KDE applications to come up \
into &gt; KDE science -- I can think of a few potential apps in Physics (but \
of &gt; course, we do need coders!). Maybe creating a module called KDE 
&gt; science will spur up some action. 
&gt; 
&gt; Regards 
&gt; Akarsh 
&gt; _______________________________________________ 
&gt; kde-edu mailing list 
&gt; <a href="mailto:kde-edu@mail.kde.org">kde-edu@mail.kde.org</a> 
&gt; <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu</a> 
</div></div>That depends a lot on what you do consider for education. Getting to know \
more things is both science and education. I understand the target is a \
little different but I don&#39;t think it is that much. 
 
If we consider we need two different coordinations it&#39;s fine to have a \
separate module but that would double quite some effort. We can see that KDE \
Science iniciative as a promoting KDE (overall) for science creation and let \
the programs to be organized as they are now. I&#39;d say it&#39;s the science \
developers who should decide if they want to organize separatedly, but given that \
this iniciative is coming from promo I don&#39;t see a reason for splitting \
development modules. 
 
Aleix 
<div><div></div><div \
class="h5">_______________________________________________ kde-edu mailing \
list <a href="mailto:kde-edu@mail.kde.org">kde-edu@mail.kde.org</a> 
<a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu</a> \
</div></div></blockquote></div>

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