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From: Aleix Pol <aleixpol () kde ! org>
Date: 2010-04-19 23:26:49
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On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Duda Nogueira <dudanogueira@gmail.com>wro=
te:
> I am also mostly available!
>
> Just point a date and time, and I'll be there!
>
> :)
>
> Duda Nogueira
> Gerente de Projetos em Tecnologia
> www.dudanogueira.com.br
>
> Celular: +55 31 9985-1271
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Aleix Pol <aleixpol@kde.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Duda Nogueira <dudanogueira@gmail.com=
>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Anne,
> >>
> >> Amanda told me about Akademy 2010, and when I saw the main topics
> >> (specially the "Connecting Our World: Social Desktop"), I thought that
> >> this new KEduca ideas would fit perfectly on a paper to be presented.
> >>
> >> So I sent this paper to: akademy-talks@kde.org
> >>
> >> Name: Jos=C3=A9 Eduardo Campos Nogueira, aka "Duda Nogueira"
> >>
> >> Talk Title: A Social and clouded new approach to KDE-Edu
> >>
> >> Abstract:
> >> As we go towards on the usage of open source in educational projects
> >> with huge deployments, we need to not only provide good educational
> >> softwares, but ways to deliver content among software. A new, revamped
> >> KEduca looks like the perfect application to provide a platform, that
> >> will accomplish this goal, together with a remote portal/repository,
> >> where users/teachers can share or improve shared classes.
> >> Time needed: 30 minutes talk
> >>
> >> About me
> >> When I first used open source software, it was most about servers.
> >> Soon, I got to use as my desktop. After this, I saw the possibility to
> >> use it for educational purposes. I always liked the idea of education
> >> + computers. Unfortunately, I couldn't always work directly with open
> >> source, and web development took place for a few years in my career.
> >> Right now I work where I always wanted: a small yet innovative Linux
> >> Based company (Metasys Linux), aimed to deliver Educational Systems to
> >> government projects with about 50.000 delivered desktops (netbooks and
> >> desktops), and about 200.000 to deliver by the end of this year. All
> >> of them with KDE.
> >>
> >> References
> >> As an Open Source activist, I went to some nice events in Brazil:
> >> FISL, Latinoware and other local events. The last event was
> >> Latinoware, Where I got to know Anne Marie, Sandro Andrade, Tomaz
> >> Canabrava, Adrian de Groot, KDHelio Castro and others, just to name a
> >> few. After that, I decided to work closely with KDE-EDU crew.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Duda Nogueira
> >> Gerente de Projetos em Tecnologia
> >> www.dudanogueira.com.br
> >>
> >> Celular: +55 31 9985-1271
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 4:13 AM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf
> >> <annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr> wrote:
> >> > Yes it would be great to have an IRC meeting on this so we could
> refine
> >> > this
> >> > topic at the Edu meeting.
> >> > Aleix, any date? a doodle page?
> >> >
> >> > Best regards,
> >> >
> >> > Anne-Marie
> >> >
> >> > On Saturday 17 April 2010 14:08:48 Duda Nogueira wrote:
> >> >> Hi Alex!
> >> >>
> >> >> That's a great idea. Deliver content among the software is definetl=
y
> >> >> the way to Go!
> >> >>
> >> >> However, I don't think that relying on a web content such as portal
> do
> >> >> professor is a good idea, not only for the non semantic content as
> you
> >> >> pointed, but mainly for the availability and stability of the whole
> >> >> portal.
> >> >>
> >> >> Instead of putting the content into the software, a better aproach
> >> >> should be the opposite: put the software into the content.
> >> >>
> >> >> That's why I think Keduca can be a key software to do this job,
> >> >> integrating content with software.
> >> >>
> >> >> Picture the usage: Anne wants to teach her students about calcium/
> >> >> milk. She will create a Keduca file, with richmedia (audio, video,
> >> >> images, flash, weblinks) grabed from a Creative Commons source, and
> >> >> can also link his Keduca class with a specific application, even
> >> >> linking a specific word, such as "calcium" to a command, like
> "kalzium
> >> >> calcium"
> >> >>
> >> >> Anne can also share her class, created on her language by clicking =
on
> >> >> a button "share", and making it available on a central repository.
> >> >>
> >> >> Later, other teacher, named Marie ;) will be able to download the
> >> >> shared Keduca class, improve it, use it, and share it back on the
> >> >> central repository.
> >> >>
> >> >> It can be either a crazy idea or a good vision...
> >> >>
> >> >> Just a quick correction: Syst, the company I work for is the same a=
s
> >> >> Metasys, but we prefer to be called as Metasy, for branding matters
> :)
> >> >>
> >> >> What do you guys think about that? A meeting/brainstorm would be
> >> >> great!!
> >> >>
> >> >> Enviado de meu iPhone
> >> >>
> >> >> Em 16/04/2010, =C3=A0s 12:13, Aleix Pol <aleixpol@kde.org> escreveu=
:
> >> >> > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Duda Nogueira
> >> >> > <dudanogueira@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Hi there!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > As Mauricio said, we (Syst) have total interest in keeping a clos=
e
> >> >> > contact with KDE and KDE-EDU, helping on improvements not only in
> >> >> > KEduca app, but the whole Educational stack in open source,
> whenever
> >> >> > possible.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It's important to note that our distro is being shipped in
> thousands
> >> >> > of Intel Classmates. Here in Brazil we have more then 13.000
> already
> >> >> > delivered, and more 150.000 to go, as the UCA (One Laptop per
> Child)
> >> >> > Project from Brazil's government is being launched.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On the desktop side, we have about 4.000 thousand schools here in
> our
> >> >> > state, Minas Gerais, with approximately 15 computers each, all of
> >> >> > them
> >> >> > with KDE on in it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > There is also another dekstop project, from the Communication are=
a
> of
> >> >> > the government, that plans to deliver 20.000 labs, each one with =
15
> >> >> > computers. From this total, 5.000 was already delivered, and the
> rest
> >> >> > will be delivered on the following months.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > With KEduca, we want to share/contribute with code, expertise and
> >> >> > help
> >> >> > on stimulating teachers and institutions to develop and share new
> >> >> > tests/KEduca files.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The Educational Area of our Government has an awesome portal
> >> >> > (http://portaldoprofessor.mec.gov.br/recursos.html) with tons of
> >> >> > contents (66G so far), and we think it'll be a good area to share
> the
> >> >> > pt-br KEduca tests.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'll be looking closely for the KEduca-new development, as I trul=
y
> >> >> > believe this will a win-win situation, and a very interesting
> >> >> > project!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Best Regards!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Duda Nogueira
> >> >> > Gerente de Projetos em Tecnologia
> >> >> > www.dudanogueira.com.br
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Celular: +55 31 9985-1271
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf
> >> >> >
> >> >> > <annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr> wrote:
> >> >> > > fabulous news and indeed making it possible to exchange data is
> the
> >> >> > > way to go!
> >> >> > > Thanks a
> >> >> >
> >> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> >> > kde-edu mailing list
> >> >> > kde-edu@mail.kde.org
> >> >> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hi!!
> >> >> > I'm really happy to read such a mail. I think that such
> >> >> > communication between teachers and developers is definitely the w=
ay
> >> >> > to go. If you are interested on working with us, we should create
> >> >> > some IRC meeting together (if it's not possible to meet live) to
> >> >> > think of some way we can do that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For starters, even if the website has an amazing amount of
> >> >> > information (I mean it, there's stuff in catalan, awesome :)) I
> >> >> > don't think there's much we can do with that because data is not
> >> >> > formatted in any semantic way but we should try to get to that. A
> >> >> > good start would be to make it possible to integrate some
> >> >> > information into kalzium, they already have wikipedia information=
,
> >> >> > why not information from "portal do professor"? To do so we shoul=
d
> >> >> > make it possible to be able to structure the data a little and to
> >> >> > create some RPC interface I guess, do you think that would be
> >> >> > possible?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I think it would be great if we could provide kalgebra modules an=
d
> >> >> > maybe cantor sheets for mathematical and science information in
> >> >> > general. I think this would be far better than the current
> just-html
> >> >> > approach. This would bring up new needs in hosting applications b=
ut
> >> >> > that's why we are here, isn't it?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well, looking forward to hearing from you. And remember that we'r=
e
> >> >> > here for good :D
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Aleix (KAlgebra maintainer)
> >> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> >> > kde-edu mailing list
> >> >> > kde-edu@mail.kde.org
> >> >> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > kde-edu mailing list
> >> > kde-edu@mail.kde.org
> >> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> kde-edu mailing list
> >> kde-edu@mail.kde.org
> >> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
> >
> > Yes, the thing is that the kde edu team we're holding a meeting in the
> end
> > of May and it would be great to start planning such stuff.
> > I also sent a talk proposal for KDE Edu for this year's akademy, we'll
> see
> > how it goes. So it would be nice to share some knowledge and intentions
> > before we get to Tampere :)
> >
> > On the IRC meeting, I'd let the brazilian people to choose some timefra=
me
> > since I'm mostly available. Who would be interested on joining as well?
> >
> > Aleix
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > kde-edu mailing list
> > kde-edu@mail.kde.org
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> kde-edu mailing list
> kde-edu@mail.kde.org
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Duda Nogueira <span \
dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dudanogueira@gmail.com">dudanogueira@gmail.com</a>></span> \
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; \
border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> I am also mostly \
available!<br> <br>
Just point a date and time, and I'll be there!<br>
<br>
> )<br>
<div class="im"><br>
Duda Nogueira<br>
Gerente de Projetos em Tecnologia<br>
<a href="http://www.dudanogueira.com.br" \
target="_blank">www.dudanogueira.com.br</a><br> <br>
Celular: +55 31 9985-1271<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Aleix Pol \
<<a href="mailto:aleixpol@kde.org">aleixpol@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br> > On \
Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Duda Nogueira <<a \
href="mailto:dudanogueira@gmail.com">dudanogueira@gmail.com</a>><br> > \
wrote:<br> >><br>
>> Anne,<br>
>><br>
>> Amanda told me about Akademy 2010, and when I saw the main topics<br>
>> (specially the "Connecting Our World: Social Desktop"), I thought \
that<br> >> this new KEduca ideas would fit perfectly on a paper to be \
presented.<br> >><br>
>> So I sent this paper to: <a \
href="mailto:akademy-talks@kde.org">akademy-talks@kde.org</a><br> >><br>
>> Name: José Eduardo Campos Nogueira, aka "Duda Nogueira"<br>
>><br>
>> Talk Title: A Social and clouded new approach to KDE-Edu<br>
>><br>
>> Abstract:<br>
>> As we go towards on the usage of open source in educational projects<br>
>> with huge deployments, we need to not only provide good educational<br>
>> softwares, but ways to deliver content among software. A new, revamped<br>
>> KEduca looks like the perfect application to provide a platform, that<br>
>> will accomplish this goal, together with a remote portal/repository,<br>
>> where users/teachers can share or improve shared classes.<br>
>> Time needed: 30 minutes talk<br>
>><br>
>> About me<br>
>> When I first used open source software, it was most about servers.<br>
>> Soon, I got to use as my desktop. After this, I saw the possibility to<br>
>> use it for educational purposes. I always liked the idea of education<br>
>> + computers. Unfortunately, I couldn't always work directly with \
open<br> >> source, and web development took place for a few years in my \
career.<br> >> Right now I work where I always wanted: a small yet innovative \
Linux<br> >> Based company (Metasys Linux), aimed to deliver Educational \
Systems to<br> >> government projects with about 50.000 delivered desktops \
(netbooks and<br> >> desktops), and about 200.000 to deliver by the end of this \
year. All<br> >> of them with KDE.<br>
>><br>
>> References<br>
>> As an Open Source activist, I went to some nice events in Brazil:<br>
>> FISL, Latinoware and other local events. The last event was<br>
>> Latinoware, Where I got to know Anne Marie, Sandro Andrade, Tomaz<br>
>> Canabrava, Adrian de Groot, KDHelio Castro and others, just to name a<br>
>> few. After that, I decided to work closely with KDE-EDU crew.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Duda Nogueira<br>
>> Gerente de Projetos em Tecnologia<br>
>> <a href="http://www.dudanogueira.com.br" \
target="_blank">www.dudanogueira.com.br</a><br> >><br>
>> Celular: +55 31 9985-1271<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 4:13 AM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr">annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr</a>> \
wrote:<br> >> > Yes it would be great to have an IRC meeting on this so we \
could refine<br> >> > this<br>
>> > topic at the Edu meeting.<br>
>> > Aleix, any date? a doodle page?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Best regards,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Anne-Marie<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Saturday 17 April 2010 14:08:48 Duda Nogueira wrote:<br>
>> >> Hi Alex!<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> That's a great idea. Deliver content among the software is \
definetly<br> >> >> the way to Go!<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> However, I don't think that relying on a web content such as \
portal do<br> >> >> professor is a good idea, not only for the non \
semantic content as you<br> >> >> pointed, but mainly for the \
availability and stability of the whole<br> >> >> portal.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Instead of putting the content into the software, a better \
aproach<br> >> >> should be the opposite: put the software into the \
content.<br> >> >><br>
>> >> That's why I think Keduca can be a key software to do this \
job,<br> >> >> integrating content with software.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Picture the usage: Anne wants to teach her students about \
calcium/<br> >> >> milk. She will create a Keduca file, with richmedia \
(audio, video,<br> >> >> images, flash, weblinks) grabed from a Creative \
Commons source, and<br> >> >> can also link his Keduca class with a \
specific application, even<br> >> >> linking a specific word, such as \
"calcium" to a command, like "kalzium<br> >> >> \
calcium"<br> >> >><br>
>> >> Anne can also share her class, created on her language by clicking \
on<br> >> >> a button "share", and making it available on a \
central repository.<br> >> >><br>
>> >> Later, other teacher, named Marie ;) will be able to download \
the<br> >> >> shared Keduca class, improve it, use it, and share it back \
on the<br> >> >> central repository.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> It can be either a crazy idea or a good vision...<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Just a quick correction: Syst, the company I work for is the same \
as<br> >> >> Metasys, but we prefer to be called as Metasy, for branding \
matters :)<br> >> >><br>
>> >> What do you guys think about that? A meeting/brainstorm would \
be<br> >> >> great!!<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Enviado de meu iPhone<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Em 16/04/2010, Ã s 12:13, Aleix Pol <<a \
href="mailto:aleixpol@kde.org">aleixpol@kde.org</a>> escreveu:<br> >> \
>> > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Duda Nogueira<br> >> >> \
> <<a href="mailto:dudanogueira@gmail.com">dudanogueira@gmail.com</a>> \
wrote:<br> >> >> > Hi there!<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > As Mauricio said, we (Syst) have total interest in keeping a \
close<br> >> >> > contact with KDE and KDE-EDU, helping on \
improvements not only in<br> >> >> > KEduca app, but the whole \
Educational stack in open source, whenever<br> >> >> > possible.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > It's important to note that our distro is being shipped in \
thousands<br> >> >> > of Intel Classmates. Here in Brazil we have more \
then 13.000 already<br> >> >> > delivered, and more 150.000 to go, as \
the UCA (One Laptop per Child)<br> >> >> > Project from Brazil's \
government is being launched.<br> >> >> ><br>
>> >> > On the desktop side, we have about 4.000 thousand schools here \
in our<br> >> >> > state, Minas Gerais, with approximately 15 \
computers each, all of<br> >> >> > them<br>
>> >> > with KDE on in it.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > There is also another dekstop project, from the Communication \
area of<br> >> >> > the government, that plans to deliver 20.000 labs, \
each one with 15<br> >> >> > computers. From this total, 5.000 was \
already delivered, and the rest<br> >> >> > will be delivered on the \
following months.<br> >> >> ><br>
>> >> > With KEduca, we want to share/contribute with code, expertise \
and<br> >> >> > help<br>
>> >> > on stimulating teachers and institutions to develop and share \
new<br> >> >> > tests/KEduca files.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > The Educational Area of our Government has an awesome \
portal<br> >> >> > (<a \
href="http://portaldoprofessor.mec.gov.br/recursos.html" \
target="_blank">http://portaldoprofessor.mec.gov.br/recursos.html</a>) with tons \
of<br> >> >> > contents (66G so far), and we think it'll be a good \
area to share the<br> >> >> > pt-br KEduca tests.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > I'll be looking closely for the KEduca-new development, as \
I truly<br> >> >> > believe this will a win-win situation, and a very \
interesting<br> >> >> > project!<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Best Regards!<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Duda Nogueira<br>
>> >> > Gerente de Projetos em Tecnologia<br>
>> >> > <a href="http://www.dudanogueira.com.br" \
target="_blank">www.dudanogueira.com.br</a><br> >> >> ><br>
>> >> > Celular: +55 31 9985-1271<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > <<a \
href="mailto:annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr">annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr</a>> wrote:<br> \
>> >> > > fabulous news and indeed making it possible to exchange \
data is the<br> >> >> > > way to go!<br>
>> >> > > Thanks a<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > _______________________________________________<br>
>> >> > kde-edu mailing list<br>
>> >> > <a \
href="mailto:kde-edu@mail.kde.org">kde-edu@mail.kde.org</a><br> >> >> \
> <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu</a><br> >> \
>> ><br> >> >> > Hi!!<br>
>> >> > I'm really happy to read such a mail. I think that \
such<br> >> >> > communication between teachers and developers is \
definitely the way<br> >> >> > to go. If you are interested on working \
with us, we should create<br> >> >> > some IRC meeting together (if \
it's not possible to meet live) to<br> >> >> > think of some way \
we can do that.<br> >> >> ><br>
>> >> > For starters, even if the website has an amazing amount of<br>
>> >> > information (I mean it, there's stuff in catalan, awesome \
:)) I<br> >> >> > don't think there's much we can do with that \
because data is not<br> >> >> > formatted in any semantic way but we \
should try to get to that. A<br> >> >> > good start would be to make \
it possible to integrate some<br> >> >> > information into kalzium, \
they already have wikipedia information,<br> >> >> > why not \
information from "portal do professor"? To do so we should<br> >> \
>> > make it possible to be able to structure the data a little and to<br> \
>> >> > create some RPC interface I guess, do you think that would \
be<br> >> >> > possible?<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > I think it would be great if we could provide kalgebra modules \
and<br> >> >> > maybe cantor sheets for mathematical and science \
information in<br> >> >> > general. I think this would be far better \
than the current just-html<br> >> >> > approach. This would bring up \
new needs in hosting applications but<br> >> >> > that's why we \
are here, isn't it?<br> >> >> ><br>
>> >> > Well, looking forward to hearing from you. And remember that \
we're<br> >> >> > here for good :D<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Aleix (KAlgebra maintainer)<br>
>> >> > _______________________________________________<br>
>> >> > kde-edu mailing list<br>
>> >> > <a \
href="mailto:kde-edu@mail.kde.org">kde-edu@mail.kde.org</a><br> >> >> \
> <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu</a><br> >> \
><br> >> ><br>
>> > _______________________________________________<br>
>> > kde-edu mailing list<br>
>> > <a href="mailto:kde-edu@mail.kde.org">kde-edu@mail.kde.org</a><br>
>> > <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu</a><br> >> \
><br> >> _______________________________________________<br>
>> kde-edu mailing list<br>
>> <a href="mailto:kde-edu@mail.kde.org">kde-edu@mail.kde.org</a><br>
>> <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu</a><br> ><br>
> Yes, the thing is that the kde edu team we're holding a meeting in the \
end<br> > of May and it would be great to start planning such stuff.<br>
> I also sent a talk proposal for KDE Edu for this year's akademy, we'll \
see<br> > how it goes. So it would be nice to share some knowledge and \
intentions<br> > before we get to Tampere :)<br>
><br>
> On the IRC meeting, I'd let the brazilian people to choose some \
timeframe<br> > since I'm mostly available. Who would be interested on joining \
as well?<br> ><br>
> Aleix<br>
><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
> kde-edu mailing list<br>
> <a href="mailto:kde-edu@mail.kde.org">kde-edu@mail.kde.org</a><br>
> <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu</a><br> ><br>
><br>
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