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From: Aleix Pol <aleixpol () kde ! org>
Date: 2010-04-19 21:42:43
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On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Duda Nogueira <dudanogueira@gmail.com>wro=
te:
> Anne,
>
> Amanda told me about Akademy 2010, and when I saw the main topics
> (specially the "Connecting Our World: Social Desktop"), I thought that
> this new KEduca ideas would fit perfectly on a paper to be presented.
>
> So I sent this paper to: akademy-talks@kde.org
>
> Name: Jos=C3=A9 Eduardo Campos Nogueira, aka "Duda Nogueira"
>
> Talk Title: A Social and clouded new approach to KDE-Edu
>
> Abstract:
> As we go towards on the usage of open source in educational projects
> with huge deployments, we need to not only provide good educational
> softwares, but ways to deliver content among software. A new, revamped
> KEduca looks like the perfect application to provide a platform, that
> will accomplish this goal, together with a remote portal/repository,
> where users/teachers can share or improve shared classes.
> Time needed: 30 minutes talk
>
> About me
> When I first used open source software, it was most about servers.
> Soon, I got to use as my desktop. After this, I saw the possibility to
> use it for educational purposes. I always liked the idea of education
> + computers. Unfortunately, I couldn't always work directly with open
> source, and web development took place for a few years in my career.
> Right now I work where I always wanted: a small yet innovative Linux
> Based company (Metasys Linux), aimed to deliver Educational Systems to
> government projects with about 50.000 delivered desktops (netbooks and
> desktops), and about 200.000 to deliver by the end of this year. All
> of them with KDE.
>
> References
> As an Open Source activist, I went to some nice events in Brazil:
> FISL, Latinoware and other local events. The last event was
> Latinoware, Where I got to know Anne Marie, Sandro Andrade, Tomaz
> Canabrava, Adrian de Groot, KDHelio Castro and others, just to name a
> few. After that, I decided to work closely with KDE-EDU crew.
>
>
>
> Duda Nogueira
> Gerente de Projetos em Tecnologia
> www.dudanogueira.com.br
>
> Celular: +55 31 9985-1271
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 4:13 AM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf
> <annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr> wrote:
> > Yes it would be great to have an IRC meeting on this so we could refine
> this
> > topic at the Edu meeting.
> > Aleix, any date? a doodle page?
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Anne-Marie
> >
> > On Saturday 17 April 2010 14:08:48 Duda Nogueira wrote:
> >> Hi Alex!
> >>
> >> That's a great idea. Deliver content among the software is definetly
> >> the way to Go!
> >>
> >> However, I don't think that relying on a web content such as portal do
> >> professor is a good idea, not only for the non semantic content as you
> >> pointed, but mainly for the availability and stability of the whole
> >> portal.
> >>
> >> Instead of putting the content into the software, a better aproach
> >> should be the opposite: put the software into the content.
> >>
> >> That's why I think Keduca can be a key software to do this job,
> >> integrating content with software.
> >>
> >> Picture the usage: Anne wants to teach her students about calcium/
> >> milk. She will create a Keduca file, with richmedia (audio, video,
> >> images, flash, weblinks) grabed from a Creative Commons source, and
> >> can also link his Keduca class with a specific application, even
> >> linking a specific word, such as "calcium" to a command, like "kalzium
> >> calcium"
> >>
> >> Anne can also share her class, created on her language by clicking on
> >> a button "share", and making it available on a central repository.
> >>
> >> Later, other teacher, named Marie ;) will be able to download the
> >> shared Keduca class, improve it, use it, and share it back on the
> >> central repository.
> >>
> >> It can be either a crazy idea or a good vision...
> >>
> >> Just a quick correction: Syst, the company I work for is the same as
> >> Metasys, but we prefer to be called as Metasy, for branding matters :)
> >>
> >> What do you guys think about that? A meeting/brainstorm would be great=
!!
> >>
> >> Enviado de meu iPhone
> >>
> >> Em 16/04/2010, =C3=A0s 12:13, Aleix Pol <aleixpol@kde.org> escreveu:
> >> > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Duda Nogueira
> >> > <dudanogueira@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi there!
> >> >
> >> > As Mauricio said, we (Syst) have total interest in keeping a close
> >> > contact with KDE and KDE-EDU, helping on improvements not only in
> >> > KEduca app, but the whole Educational stack in open source, whenever
> >> > possible.
> >> >
> >> > It's important to note that our distro is being shipped in thousands
> >> > of Intel Classmates. Here in Brazil we have more then 13.000 already
> >> > delivered, and more 150.000 to go, as the UCA (One Laptop per Child)
> >> > Project from Brazil's government is being launched.
> >> >
> >> > On the desktop side, we have about 4.000 thousand schools here in ou=
r
> >> > state, Minas Gerais, with approximately 15 computers each, all of th=
em
> >> > with KDE on in it.
> >> >
> >> > There is also another dekstop project, from the Communication area o=
f
> >> > the government, that plans to deliver 20.000 labs, each one with 15
> >> > computers. From this total, 5.000 was already delivered, and the res=
t
> >> > will be delivered on the following months.
> >> >
> >> > With KEduca, we want to share/contribute with code, expertise and he=
lp
> >> > on stimulating teachers and institutions to develop and share new
> >> > tests/KEduca files.
> >> >
> >> > The Educational Area of our Government has an awesome portal
> >> > (http://portaldoprofessor.mec.gov.br/recursos.html) with tons of
> >> > contents (66G so far), and we think it'll be a good area to share th=
e
> >> > pt-br KEduca tests.
> >> >
> >> > I'll be looking closely for the KEduca-new development, as I truly
> >> > believe this will a win-win situation, and a very interesting projec=
t!
> >> >
> >> > Best Regards!
> >> >
> >> > Duda Nogueira
> >> > Gerente de Projetos em Tecnologia
> >> > www.dudanogueira.com.br
> >> >
> >> > Celular: +55 31 9985-1271
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf
> >> >
> >> > <annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr> wrote:
> >> > > fabulous news and indeed making it possible to exchange data is th=
e
> >> > > way to go!
> >> > > Thanks a
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > kde-edu mailing list
> >> > kde-edu@mail.kde.org
> >> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
> >> >
> >> > Hi!!
> >> > I'm really happy to read such a mail. I think that such
> >> > communication between teachers and developers is definitely the way
> >> > to go. If you are interested on working with us, we should create
> >> > some IRC meeting together (if it's not possible to meet live) to
> >> > think of some way we can do that.
> >> >
> >> > For starters, even if the website has an amazing amount of
> >> > information (I mean it, there's stuff in catalan, awesome :)) I
> >> > don't think there's much we can do with that because data is not
> >> > formatted in any semantic way but we should try to get to that. A
> >> > good start would be to make it possible to integrate some
> >> > information into kalzium, they already have wikipedia information,
> >> > why not information from "portal do professor"? To do so we should
> >> > make it possible to be able to structure the data a little and to
> >> > create some RPC interface I guess, do you think that would be
> >> > possible?
> >> >
> >> > I think it would be great if we could provide kalgebra modules and
> >> > maybe cantor sheets for mathematical and science information in
> >> > general. I think this would be far better than the current just-html
> >> > approach. This would bring up new needs in hosting applications but
> >> > that's why we are here, isn't it?
> >> >
> >> > Well, looking forward to hearing from you. And remember that we're
> >> > here for good :D
> >> >
> >> > Aleix (KAlgebra maintainer)
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > kde-edu mailing list
> >> > kde-edu@mail.kde.org
> >> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > kde-edu mailing list
> > kde-edu@mail.kde.org
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
> >
> _______________________________________________
> kde-edu mailing list
> kde-edu@mail.kde.org
> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu
>
Yes, the thing is that the kde edu team we're holding a meeting in the end
of May and it would be great to start planning such stuff.
I also sent a talk proposal for KDE Edu for this year's akademy, we'll see
how it goes. So it would be nice to share some knowledge and intentions
before we get to Tampere :)
On the IRC meeting, I'd let the brazilian people to choose some timeframe
since I'm mostly available. Who would be interested on joining as well?
Aleix
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Duda Nogueira <span \
dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dudanogueira@gmail.com">dudanogueira@gmail.com</a>></span> \
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; \
border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> Anne,<br>
<br>
Amanda told me about Akademy 2010, and when I saw the main topics<br>
(specially the "Connecting Our World: Social Desktop"), I thought that<br>
this new KEduca ideas would fit perfectly on a paper to be presented.<br>
<br>
So I sent this paper to: <a \
href="mailto:akademy-talks@kde.org">akademy-talks@kde.org</a><br> <br>
Name: José Eduardo Campos Nogueira, aka "Duda Nogueira"<br>
<br>
Talk Title: A Social and clouded new approach to KDE-Edu<br>
<br>
Abstract:<br>
As we go towards on the usage of open source in educational projects<br>
with huge deployments, we need to not only provide good educational<br>
softwares, but ways to deliver content among software. A new, revamped<br>
KEduca looks like the perfect application to provide a platform, that<br>
will accomplish this goal, together with a remote portal/repository,<br>
where users/teachers can share or improve shared classes.<br>
Time needed: 30 minutes talk<br>
<br>
About me<br>
When I first used open source software, it was most about servers.<br>
Soon, I got to use as my desktop. After this, I saw the possibility to<br>
use it for educational purposes. I always liked the idea of education<br>
+ computers. Unfortunately, I couldn't always work directly with open<br>
source, and web development took place for a few years in my career.<br>
Right now I work where I always wanted: a small yet innovative Linux<br>
Based company (Metasys Linux), aimed to deliver Educational Systems to<br>
government projects with about 50.000 delivered desktops (netbooks and<br>
desktops), and about 200.000 to deliver by the end of this year. All<br>
of them with KDE.<br>
<br>
References<br>
As an Open Source activist, I went to some nice events in Brazil:<br>
FISL, Latinoware and other local events. The last event was<br>
Latinoware, Where I got to know Anne Marie, Sandro Andrade, Tomaz<br>
Canabrava, Adrian de Groot, KDHelio Castro and others, just to name a<br>
few. After that, I decided to work closely with KDE-EDU crew.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
<br>
<br>
Duda Nogueira<br>
Gerente de Projetos em Tecnologia<br>
<a href="http://www.dudanogueira.com.br" \
target="_blank">www.dudanogueira.com.br</a><br> <br>
Celular: +55 31 9985-1271<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 4:13 AM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><<a \
href="mailto:annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr">annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr</a>> wrote:<br> \
> Yes it would be great to have an IRC meeting on this so we could refine this<br> \
> topic at the Edu meeting.<br> > Aleix, any date? a doodle page?<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
><br>
> Anne-Marie<br>
><br>
> On Saturday 17 April 2010 14:08:48 Duda Nogueira wrote:<br>
>> Hi Alex!<br>
>><br>
>> That's a great idea. Deliver content among the software is definetly<br>
>> the way to Go!<br>
>><br>
>> However, I don't think that relying on a web content such as portal \
do<br> >> professor is a good idea, not only for the non semantic content as \
you<br> >> pointed, but mainly for the availability and stability of the \
whole<br> >> portal.<br>
>><br>
>> Instead of putting the content into the software, a better aproach<br>
>> should be the opposite: put the software into the content.<br>
>><br>
>> That's why I think Keduca can be a key software to do this job,<br>
>> integrating content with software.<br>
>><br>
>> Picture the usage: Anne wants to teach her students about calcium/<br>
>> milk. She will create a Keduca file, with richmedia (audio, video,<br>
>> images, flash, weblinks) grabed from a Creative Commons source, and<br>
>> can also link his Keduca class with a specific application, even<br>
>> linking a specific word, such as "calcium" to a command, like \
"kalzium<br> >> calcium"<br>
>><br>
>> Anne can also share her class, created on her language by clicking on<br>
>> a button "share", and making it available on a central \
repository.<br> >><br>
>> Later, other teacher, named Marie ;) will be able to download the<br>
>> shared Keduca class, improve it, use it, and share it back on the<br>
>> central repository.<br>
>><br>
>> It can be either a crazy idea or a good vision...<br>
>><br>
>> Just a quick correction: Syst, the company I work for is the same as<br>
>> Metasys, but we prefer to be called as Metasy, for branding matters :)<br>
>><br>
>> What do you guys think about that? A meeting/brainstorm would be great!!<br>
>><br>
>> Enviado de meu iPhone<br>
>><br>
>> Em 16/04/2010, Ã s 12:13, Aleix Pol <<a \
href="mailto:aleixpol@kde.org">aleixpol@kde.org</a>> escreveu:<br> >> > \
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Duda Nogueira<br> >> > <<a \
href="mailto:dudanogueira@gmail.com">dudanogueira@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> \
>> > Hi there!<br> >> ><br>
>> > As Mauricio said, we (Syst) have total interest in keeping a close<br>
>> > contact with KDE and KDE-EDU, helping on improvements not only in<br>
>> > KEduca app, but the whole Educational stack in open source, \
whenever<br> >> > possible.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > It's important to note that our distro is being shipped in \
thousands<br> >> > of Intel Classmates. Here in Brazil we have more then \
13.000 already<br> >> > delivered, and more 150.000 to go, as the UCA (One \
Laptop per Child)<br> >> > Project from Brazil's government is being \
launched.<br> >> ><br>
>> > On the desktop side, we have about 4.000 thousand schools here in \
our<br> >> > state, Minas Gerais, with approximately 15 computers each, all \
of them<br> >> > with KDE on in it.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > There is also another dekstop project, from the Communication area \
of<br> >> > the government, that plans to deliver 20.000 labs, each one with \
15<br> >> > computers. From this total, 5.000 was already delivered, and the \
rest<br> >> > will be delivered on the following months.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > With KEduca, we want to share/contribute with code, expertise and \
help<br> >> > on stimulating teachers and institutions to develop and share \
new<br> >> > tests/KEduca files.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > The Educational Area of our Government has an awesome portal<br>
>> > (<a href="http://portaldoprofessor.mec.gov.br/recursos.html" \
target="_blank">http://portaldoprofessor.mec.gov.br/recursos.html</a>) with tons \
of<br> >> > contents (66G so far), and we think it'll be a good area to \
share the<br> >> > pt-br KEduca tests.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I'll be looking closely for the KEduca-new development, as I \
truly<br> >> > believe this will a win-win situation, and a very interesting \
project!<br> >> ><br>
>> > Best Regards!<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Duda Nogueira<br>
>> > Gerente de Projetos em Tecnologia<br>
>> > <a href="http://www.dudanogueira.com.br" \
target="_blank">www.dudanogueira.com.br</a><br> >> ><br>
>> > Celular: +55 31 9985-1271<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Anne-Marie Mahfouf<br>
>> ><br>
>> > <<a \
href="mailto:annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr">annemarie.mahfouf@free.fr</a>> wrote:<br> \
>> > > fabulous news and indeed making it possible to exchange data is \
the<br> >> > > way to go!<br>
>> > > Thanks a<br>
>> ><br>
>> > _______________________________________________<br>
>> > kde-edu mailing list<br>
>> > <a href="mailto:kde-edu@mail.kde.org">kde-edu@mail.kde.org</a><br>
>> > <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu</a><br> >> \
><br> >> > Hi!!<br>
>> > I'm really happy to read such a mail. I think that such<br>
>> > communication between teachers and developers is definitely the way<br>
>> > to go. If you are interested on working with us, we should create<br>
>> > some IRC meeting together (if it's not possible to meet live) \
to<br> >> > think of some way we can do that.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > For starters, even if the website has an amazing amount of<br>
>> > information (I mean it, there's stuff in catalan, awesome :)) I<br>
>> > don't think there's much we can do with that because data is \
not<br> >> > formatted in any semantic way but we should try to get to that. \
A<br> >> > good start would be to make it possible to integrate some<br>
>> > information into kalzium, they already have wikipedia information,<br>
>> > why not information from "portal do professor"? To do so we \
should<br> >> > make it possible to be able to structure the data a little \
and to<br> >> > create some RPC interface I guess, do you think that would \
be<br> >> > possible?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I think it would be great if we could provide kalgebra modules and<br>
>> > maybe cantor sheets for mathematical and science information in<br>
>> > general. I think this would be far better than the current \
just-html<br> >> > approach. This would bring up new needs in hosting \
applications but<br> >> > that's why we are here, isn't it?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Well, looking forward to hearing from you. And remember that \
we're<br> >> > here for good :D<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Aleix (KAlgebra maintainer)<br>
>> > _______________________________________________<br>
>> > kde-edu mailing list<br>
>> > <a href="mailto:kde-edu@mail.kde.org">kde-edu@mail.kde.org</a><br>
>> > <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu</a><br> ><br>
><br>
> _______________________________________________<br>
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> <a href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu" \
target="_blank">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu</a><br> ><br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Yes, the thing is that the kde edu team we're \
holding a meeting in the end of May and it would be great to start planning such \
stuff.<br>I also sent a talk proposal for KDE Edu for this year's akademy, \
we'll see how it goes. So it would be nice to share some knowledge and intentions \
before we get to Tampere :)<br> <br>On the IRC meeting, I'd let the brazilian \
people to choose some timeframe since I'm mostly available. Who would be \
interested on joining as well?<br><br>Aleix<br>
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