Hi everybody,

(sorry about my english, it is not my first language)
I am just new in the list. Thank you all for all the ideas/projects envis=
aged=20
from here! I hope I can be able to contribute. By the way I think I can h=
elp=20
Julian ;-) I suggest you to:
1. Check your kde (better 3.x) is correctly install in your system (check=
 if=20
you have kdevelop properly working as well).
2. If you understand the basis of c/c++ you can just begin by reviewing Q=
t=20
programming (otherwise you should first review this items). Check the boo=
k=20
tab from the tree-tool-views of your kdevelop, there you will find almost=
=20
everything you need: from hello world app. tutorials to final pretty apps=
=20
howto's.
3. Try to build a little app. according to your particular interests. Che=
ck=20
the Qt modules (XML, SQL, OpenGL, etc.)
4. As KDE is based on Qt repeat 2. and 3. but this time trying the KDE AP=
I
5. If you like, check the on-line tutorials as well, at:=20
http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/index.html
6. For further questions, come to the proper list or here again

Apropos, I do not know if this has been discussed here before (this is ve=
ry=20
likely to be), but how about a edu-app to help learning Qt/KDE? About suc=
h an=20
application I feel a good approach would be from top level (objects/UML=20
diagrams) to bottom (c code and functions). I know it is not the way it i=
s=20
usually taught at school/universities, but this is not the only reason wh=
y to=20
try things in the opposite way, for me it seems just more natural, accord=
ing=20
to a particular interest: to first experienced, for example, what is a=20
QWidget, then what a KDialogBase, then a QButton, then how its signals ar=
e=20
activated, what the X11 have to do here, etc. Please notice that accordin=
g to=20
this "particular interest" sometimes I will nothing to do with the low-le=
vel=20
stuff, while sometimes I will (thanks God there exists free software). He=
nce,=20
these "particularities" are what we need to take into account when buildi=
ng=20
such an app. Maybe you can say, yes, but what happens if the interest of=20
someone is just to learn c or c++. We can reply him, why is this interest=
 in=20
learning c++ all about? My bet is that it is more likely to be with doing=
=20
software. The whole situation can be stated as follows: what have to be t=
he=20
position of the "teacher" in front of the "student" interests? We, when=20
pretending to be teachers, can be tempted to justify ourselfs, for exampl=
e in=20
an introductory programming course curricula, while at the same time, whe=
n=20
pretending to be students, by hiding from our own interests. Hence, when=20
trying to say something about this relative position I feel we should jus=
t=20
check our own interests first. Fortunetely this is not a very hard task t=
o be=20
done when software is the main matter. Precisely for these reason, our=20
edu-application for learning KDE could (and should) be functional as well=
, in=20
the sense that doing UML diagrams should lead us, in the case of c++ (and=
 the=20
like) to software design (at least skeleton classes), and flow diagrams, =
in=20
the case of c. Once I have found a UML diagram editor (I was not able to =
find=20
the project this time), I also have seen a Java applet for converting flo=
w=20
diagrams to c code. This kind of apps could be a good starting point, but=
 of=20
course we would need further discussion first (or I just need to know if =
this=20
project is already scheduled :-)

Best regards,

Jean Pierre Charalambos
It is nice to realise (just now) my own contradiction between what I have=
=20
suggest Julian to do and what I exposed you next. Maybe it was just becau=
se I=20
do not know yet a edu-app for learning kde ;-)

On Friday 16 August 2002 00:08, julian rousselot wrote:
> Dear Kde-Edu:
> My name is Julian I'm a computer programming, I live in Miami and I am
> looking for the school to learn Kdeveloper, can you tell me where can I
> learn that?
> Thank you very much!
> Julian
>
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