From kde-doc-english  Thu Dec 12 19:20:28 2013
From: Albert Astals Cid <aacid () kde ! org>
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:20:28 +0000
To: kde-doc-english
Subject: Re: [kde-doc-english] Kubuntu documentation
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El Dijous, 12 de desembre de 2013, a les 00:57:21, Valorie Zimmerman va 
escriure:
> Kubuntu users ARE KDE users, 

This is debatable, Kubuntu users are Kubuntu users, if they know or care that 
they use KDE I am not sure, but anyway, that's not the point of my argument.

> and most of our Kubuntu people are active directly in KDE too. 

Yes, lots of Kubuntu people are KDE people

> One of my ulterior goals for using KDE infra for
> part of our work process is to get those who aren't working directly
> for KDE used to doing so.

That's a good intention, the more Kubuntu people that become KDE people the 
better.

> Well-translated docs helps us all.

Agreed.

> It is possibly true that we could install mediawiki on our Kubuntu.org
> server, and some of the guys want to do that. I think that without the
> excellent support of both the web-team AND the underlying sysadmin
> support, that wiki would slowly become a cesspit of spam.
> 
> The Canonical sysadmins are rather remote and unresponsive. I doubt we
> could get them to do such a major install in less than months, if not
> years. Probably if we can't get KDE community buy-in, then we'll
> continue to limp along on moinmoin, and lack much translation.

And that's the core issue and what makes me un-easy.

What you want is to use "KDE resources" (web-team, sysadmin-team, server, wiki 
installation) for something that is not a "KDE project" (i hope we agree 
KUbuntu is not a KDE project by the manifesto definition).

I am not vetoing this in a any way but I'd like everyone involved in deciding 
if this is a good idea or not to think about it.

The manifesto is a very good tool to decide on requests like this one without 
getting emotionally attached to the thing in question being discussed.

If you say "yes" even if the manifesto says "no", then you lost that powerful 
tool and will have to discuss every request like this in a case by case basis 
and people will get angry and emotional because to something that was similar 
to theirs (at least in their opinion) you said "yes" and to them you said 
"no".

Cheers,
  Albert

> 
> Valorie
> 
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 10:53 AM, Albert Astals Cid <aacid@kde.org> wrote:
> > El Dimecres, 11 de desembre de 2013, a les 10:35:00, Jonathan Riddell va
> > 
> > escriure:
> >> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 08:17:54PM +0100, Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> >> > Just to make sure I understand, Kubuntu wants to move all it's
> >> > documentation away from its existing *ubuntu* domain to *kde* domain?
> >> 
> >> Only the development
> >> we currently develop at
> >> 
> >>  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Installation
> >> 
> >> and display in a local installed package and online at
> >> 
> >>  http://docs.kubuntu.org/
> >> 
> >> because of limitations in the moinmoin wiki used by wiki.kubuntu we're
> >> interested in moving development to say
> >> 
> >>  http://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu
> >> 
> >> (I'm basing this on the Amarok docs which are made on that wiki,
> >> translated then exported. http://userbase.kde.org/Amarok)
> >> 
> >> which I believe can do translations and export to HTML and docbook
> >> meaning we could get translated local packages and online versions.
> >> 
> >> It wouldn't need to be linked from anywhere on userbase as that's only
> >> used for development.
> > 
> > To be honest seems like a misuse of KDE resources to use the userbasse
> > wiki
> > for something that will not be visible to our users. Can't you guys
> > install a mediawiki at kubuntu.org?
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> >   Albert
> >> 
> >> Jonathan
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