1) Status of documentation in kde svn
  branch 330 docs, ~ 100 updated in 2008/9 = KDE 4.x 
  kdeadmin (kpackage, ksystemlog)
  kdebase (dolphin, kdepasswd, konsole, kwrite, ~20 kcms, plasma,
  systemsettings)
  kdeedu (blinken, kalgebra, kalzium, kanagram, kbruch, kgeography, klettres,
  kmplot, ktouch, kturtle, kwordquiz, marble)
  kdegames all docs
  kdegraphics (kruler, okular)
  kdepim  6 docs
  kdesdk  6 docs
  kdeutils 7 docs
  lot of technical docs (manpages, ioslave info etc)
  
  Outdated:
  kdeaccesibilitiy, kdebase (userguide etc), kdegraphics, kdemultimedia,
  kdenetwork, kdepim, kdewebdev
  plasma has only a handbook from 2008, no docs for kdeplasma-addons and 
  no way to access the khc docs
  
  trunk has around 442 docs, ~ 150 updated in 2008/9

  Until kde 3.4 the documentation was always slightly outdated (e.g. kde 3.4
  with docs 3.3) due to the release schedule (string freeze policy)
  Formally this freeze rules are still valid, but since 3.5.? in practice we
  backport every 4 weeks 

  exclude outdated language docbooks from a release (older than x.y version
  then the current code)? An essentials limit similar to
  http://l10n.kde.org/stats/gui/trunk-   kde4/essential/ for gui

2) Changes to the documentation

- target of docs: user with distro packages, not users building from source
  -> remove install.intro.documentation + install.compile.documentation 
  and the like
  users building from source get their information via techbase

- current doc system: pull centralisized infos via entities into all docbooks
  every docbook has a settings + help menu, that is boring

- lot of duplicated infos (e.g. about common tasks like file open dialog,
  shortcut + toolbar settings etc) 

- This is the start of a discussion about reusing text blocks and snippets 
  in the documentation + translation
  http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-doc-english&m=123456838425128&w=2
  and it ended in this mail by Chusslove Illic
  http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-i18n-doc&m=123461844907311&w=2
  Maybe a way to go?
  
3) Khelpcenter

* in case there is no documentation khc currently shows an error messages 
  "There is no documentation available for foo/index.html" + an additional
  dialog you have to close.
  Replace this with a html page containing:
  - a link to docs.kde.org
  - a link to userbase.kde.org
  - a link to forum.kde.org
  - a link to user mailing lists
  - load missing documentation? (http://apachelog.blogspot.com/2009/10/kde-
distro-package-splitting-100-fail.html)

* cleanup the navigation tree 
- rm "Control Center Modules" see now outdated mail 
http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-doc-english&m=122303347319776&w=2
- better names of top items?
- do we really need all these top level entries like "KInfoCenter Modules" / 
"KIOSlaves" / "The KDE FAQ" / "Contact Information" etc
- a mix of single docbooks and top level items, unsorted
- separate kde information + docs from scrollceeper/Unix man pages/Browse Info 
pages

* no activ assignee for khc bugs

* search htdig -> desktop search 

* make it possible to switch from language to english documentation, if that 
is more up to date

* toolbar with actions for docs.kde.org, userbase.kde.org, forum.kde.org, user 
mailing lists, 
  switch to local installed english docs (if more up to date) ?

* keywords in docbooks -> unused

4) docbook - userbase - forum

- different workflows and capabilities (easy to contribute, power of scripting 
via pology and other scripts...)

- we need a bridge between userbase and docbook in svn
  e.g. export english text from wiki to docbook -> translation + generation 
  of language docbooks -> import them to wiki

We really should have a meeting to learn more about the different workflows, 
needs, possibility of cooperation and...

Attendees:
Anne, Anne-Marie, Cornelius?, me, Coles?, Yuri?, a translator from a small 
translation team, and everybody else interested in documentation

Where and when?

-- 
Burkhard Lück
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