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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: Repremanding sites with bad code (was Re: User Agent: config file)
From:       Malte.Starostik () t-online ! de (Malte Starostik)
Date:       2000-08-24 6:40:55
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On Don, 24 Aug 2000, Jono Bacon wrote:
> I find this insulting that you are claiming that my opinion (and Vadim's),
> and every other person who supports this opinion is invalid. As a
> developer, and user, I want to see the following for Konqueror:
>
>  - To be stable and usable
>  - To be supportive of many technologies
>  - To gain positive acceptance and popularity
>
> When you say that VBScipt and ActiveX are not wanted, you are looking at it
> purely from your perspective, not thinking about our user base. KDE at the
> moment is supported by primarily enthusiasts and developers; if for example
> my girlfriend, or my mum and dad, or my next door neighbours were to come
> over and go on the internet in KDE, they would be expecting to see *every*
> website as it was intended. To users, VBScript and ActiveX mean
> nothing...they are merely techno words that they dont't want to understand.
> Users are interested in results. Konqueror is a fantastic web browser, and
> I commend every developer who has worked on it, and although I do not work
> on it as a developer, I still interact with it as a user. As someone else
> said...lets not use Konqueror as a political tool against anything that is
> proprietry...it hasnt so far...so lets not stop now.
I personally have never seen any site that's not MS themselves use VBScript. 
And I can count the ones with ActiveX and no equally good looking alternative 
with one hand provided I can remember any. So, IMVHO your arguments about 
what users want and don't care are absolutely valid, but please let's not 
port the security holes ActiveX dug. Besides I consider VBScript's syntax 
terrible and not to be propagated, but that's another thing...
By adopting a standard of which the sole reason of existance is to stick 
users to Windows and IE, you only encourage its use on more sites. That's 
scary. And I don't mean this only political, I'm more concerned over security 
you won't have with ActiveX let be a million certificates.
Just another 1/2 cent, sorry for growing this thread even longer.
-Malte
 
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