#if Hummel, Timo > So my idea: What about if we get a KDE usability crew? > [...] That's kind of what goes on on kde-look (really 'look and feel'.) There is a problem with the current situation though. Developers aren't very active on the list and aren't easily persuaded that they should allocate some of their time (which is being given for free) to implement requested changes. Also we have the problem that many suggestions on kde-look are made without thorough understanding of the technical issues involved. To improve this situation I suggest that, as with the artists team, one person is appointed the group 'leader.' This person would be _trusted_ to have the final say in group discussions. They would also have to have a modest amount of knowledge of the technical issues involved. The arrangement is somewhat like that of a democracy with an elected government. This means you do _not_ hold a referendum every time an important decision is to be made. You elected the government because you trust their judgement. In the artists team we have Torsten Rahn, who is dedicated to KDE, works hard (painting, writing specifications and proposals etc) and is a perfectionist with a clear perspective on artwork issues. If you appoint someone to act as 'group leader' and agree to place your trust in them, any suggestions made by the group will be piped through to the developers through one point of contact. The group leader should, with the help of the others, present a well-thought-out case for any changes to KDE to the developers. Currently when developers look in on the kde-look list they see people coming up with ideas and others shouting them down. If a new feature is wanted, the best way to get it implemented is to write it down, explain why it's wanted, give suggestions as to how it could be implemented, and present it to the developers. Does this sound sensible ? BTW, I remember someone on kde-look creating a website with collected thoughts on UI issues from many sources. Whoever that person is, if they have the time and the inclination, I would suggest that they would fill the role perfectly. Rik -- Lose the centre.