On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, Dirk A. Mueller wrote: | We've agreed on using .desktop files already, we're trying to get a | common window manager standard done and a common (or at least | exchangable) file format for office apps would be the next step. bingo! prepare for dep philosophical rant number one, which follows immediately: a year ago i did a survey of word processors for X, concentrating on the open-source stuff, and what i found was about a dozen of them, usually half-finished and each with some proprietary file format that, while often allowing export through rtf or somesuch, was incapable of even dreaming of handing off a complex document to someone else. this included, too, the word processors that were part of some real or imagined suite. the reason winword has swept the dosrivative world is that nobody else bothered to establish a standard. now, word processors on that side of the planet either read/write winword files -- something microsoft goes to pains to make difficult -- or they fail. in linux, we have, still, the group of half-finished standalone word processors, some but not all unchanged in the year since i did my survey. some of them show great promise, but they will go nowhere because of the goofy proprietary file format. kde is at a point where it will soon have not just the most often installed desktop in the linux world but also the most often installed office suite. kde2 will be the standard because when people install linux, kde2 will be what the boot to linux brings them. additionally, there has been an enormous amount of thought put into koffice's iteration of xml. it's a good format (albeit a little code-heavy). and it will become something of a defacto standard through sheer number of installed units. there is much to be said for pointing this out outside of the kde community and offering whatever aid can be offered to developers of other applications such that they can be made compliant. this specification can do much to extend the influence not just of kde but of linux in general. kde has tremendous power to do this, which if applied, not in a bullying, microsoftish fashion but instead judiciously, can do tremendous good. here endeth the tirade. -- dep -- take back america and throw a wobble into the spin: if you're interviewed by an election exit pollster, lie!