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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: thoughts about network integration in KDE2, please read (was: Samba
From:       Stephan Kulow <coolo () kde ! org>
Date:       1999-12-02 12:06:33
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aleXXX wrote:
> 
> As I was thinking about Samba and NFS-support for KDE 2, a LAN-ioslave, which
> transparently supports both and how to use the stuff from my kNetmon I was a
> little bit confused. In my app I store the information about workgroups, hosts,
> shares  and so on in a tree-like structure. Somehow I could not figure out,
> how to transform this into an ioslave correctly/logically. OTOH I was really
> sure that it can't be wrong to use internally a data-structure which
> fits the entities and their relationship in reality.
> Then I found it ! :)
> We want to have transparent network access in KDE, so we have to do it !
> In this case the KleinWeich explorer is not so bad with its tree structure for
> the LAN, I think you know what I mean. Wouldn't it be even *much* better to
> have something like this in konqy and every kde-file-dialog:
> 
> +-local_host   //this part exists
> |   |
> |   +-bin/
> |   |
> |   +-etc/
> |   |
> |   +-usr
> |       |
> |       +-bin/
> |       |
> |       +-doc/
> |
> +-network   //this part is new
>     |
>     +-workgroup1
>     |    |
>     |    +-host1
>     |    |    |
>     |    |    +-Ports/
>     |    |    |
>     |    |    +-WWW/
>     |    |    |
>     |    |    +-FTP
>     |    |    |   |
>     |    |    |   +-bin/
>     |    |    |   |
>     |    |    |   +-pub/
>     |    |    |
>     |    |    +-NFS
>     |    |    |   |
>     |    |    |   +-public/
>     |    |    |   |
>     |    |    |   +-home/
>     |    |    |
>     |    |    +-Samba
>     |    |        |
>     |    |        +-pics/
>     |    |        |
>     |    |        +-mp3s/
>     |    |        |
>     |    |        +-other_stuff/
>     |    |
>     |    +-another_host/
>     |    |
>     |    +-yet_another_host/
>     |
>     +-another_group_of_hosts
>          |
>          +-http.microsoft.somewhere
>          |   |
>          |   +-Ports/
>          |   |
>          |   +-WWW/
>          |   |
>          |   +-Samba/
>          |
>          +-ftp.troll.no
>              |
>              +-Ports/
>              |
>              +-FTP/
> 
> You could enter network://ftp.troll.no/FTP,  and you would access this host
> by ftp, you could enter network://host1/samba/mp3 to access this directory.
> (we could avoide the groupname by looking up the host name in all groups).
> Wouldn't it be almost the greatest at all if we could have autocompletion for
> this ?
> To the author of konsole: Would it be possible for Konsole to catch the tab-key
> to do its own autocompletion ?
> Then it might perhaps be possible to have autocompletion for
> hostnames and shares in bash !
> 
> To do this whole stuff we need an ioslave/server which must be configured to
> show certain groups of hosts (did you notice I  didn't use the term workgroup
> ?), which is then able to scan the  groups for hosts (using samba or
> lowlevel-tcp-ping), which is able  to detect wether a host supports
> samba/nfs/ftp/http and which  stores this information.
> This is what my app already can do (and more).
> Then if you want e.g. network://www.microsoft.nl/WWW this server  would have
> to redirect it to http://www.microsoft.nl (not hard to do, you can use directly
> the WWW/FTP/Samba/NFS/Port/whatever part of the URL).
> This server would/could store/cache the information about the
> hosts/shares/FTP-dirs/html-pages to make a fast access to this information e.g.
> for autocompletion possible. The server would also make it possible to mount
> e.g. NFS-directories transparently (the first time you access it it is mounted,
> unmounted if you tell it to, or if KDE quits, or after 1 hour or...)..
> 
> ...waiting for comments

I don't think this is the way to go. We want to have URLs and not pseudo
commands :)

It surely would be nice if you could browse some kind of toplevel
without
entering ftp, but then you would have to create a list of all ftp
servers
in the net and that would be truely too much :)

Greetings, Stephan

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