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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: Changes in kapp
From:       Cristian Tibirna <ctibirna () total ! net>
Date:       1999-09-19 14:59:09
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Hi

Using KWM for this is a Bad Idea (TM). The window manager has no right to
infere with the way apps want to display their name in the titlebar.

A solution which can be much more uniform:

overload the setCaption() of Qt and make it to detect (and eliminate) the
presence of the appname at the start or at the end of the caption the
programmer wants to set. If by this stripping the remaining is void or
filled with white spaces, then forget about the filtering and let the app
set the caption it wanted. If the remaining isn't void,  then call the
makeStdCaption() on it.

This way, all KDE applications (even those not made to comply with Espen's
standard) will display the caption at user's will.

What do you think?

On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Espen Sand wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Dirk A. Mueller wrote:
> > Espen Sand <espensa@online.no> wrote:
> > 
> > > Usage: "setCaption(kapp->makeStdCaption(caption))" . In my view it is 
> > > not the application programmer that should decide the layout of the
> > > caption.
> > 
> > I generally agree. But what will happen with all that programs out
> > there that don't use that function?
> >
> Then they are not compliant with the KDE-2 standard ;)
> 
> > 
> > and what happens with non-KDE programs?
> > 
> > It's a good idea, but the implementation will break consistency, as the
> > user can't be absolutely sure that every app he uses will use the
> > caption style he prefers.
> > 
> > 
> > Therefore imho it's a bad idea to implement it this way. I suggest
> > putting support for it into kwm (to where it belongs imho, as this is
> > the windowmanager). That way every app will adopt the user setting
> > automatically.
> >
> 
> I can not disagree with this if the app programmer then can just say
> "setCaption( captionWithNoAppName )". Some issues:
> 
> 1. Can the application name be detected from kwm? How? One cannot use
> kapp since the app does not have to be a kde-app.
> 2. What if a dialog does not want to display the application name 
> (for some odd/unlikely reason)
> 3. Who can modify kwm and when? I know nothing about kwm. As it is today, almost
> every caption combination is used. BAD! I have a solution that can rectify some
> of it. It is not perfect but I have the code ready.
> 
> The longer we wait, more and more KDE-2 stuff will be done with appName in
> the caption. I really don't want to wait. My method can be used as an
> intermediate solution. Anyway makeStdCaption() can later be reduced to an 
> "empty" inlined method. So my conclusion is still that I add it !!
> 
> 
> -- 
> Espen Sand
> 
> 

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