I've uploaded a screenshot of kappletviewer (the test program for kdejava) running the Lake applet from http://www.demon.co.uk/davidg/spigots.htm as you can see Java support for KDE is nearer than you think... You can see the picture at ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/Incoming/kappletviewer.gif Rich. -- Richard Moore rich@ipso-facto.freeserve.co.uk http://www.robocast.com/ richard@robocast.com http://developer.kde.org/ rich@kde.org