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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: ANNOUNCE: Heading for KDE 1.1.2 release (Week 4)
From:       Ralf Nolden <Ralf.Nolden () post ! rwth-aachen ! de>
Date:       1999-06-18 15:50:57
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Kurt Granroth wrote:
> 
> Sorry, but I completely disagree that kapptemplate and kexample are
> "obsolete".  You are making a HUGE assumption with that statement -- that all
> developers will want to use KDevelop.  Now as nice as it is (and KDevelop is
> *by far* the best IDE I've seen on Unix), that still will never be the case.
> MOST developers still use the standard vi/emacs setup and would never touch a
> GUI IDE no matter *how* good it was.  kapptemplate and kexample are tools for
> those people...

Ok, this was probably the wrong word choice...

I didn't want to imply by this statement that there should or that there
are no other ways to develop KDE software; and kdoc is definitely a
separate independent program. My thoughts were directing into creating a
new package like kdeutils where a lot of apps are collected under one
hood indicating that there is a certain purpose all applications of the
package share. 

Now, the thing is this ( to make myself clearer than in the last mail): 

KDE itself has the KDE-SDK as a package with the most needed software
for development, but the SDK is apparently not distributed as e.g. an
rpm package (I may be wrong here as well, but I got my first version of
the KDE-SDK from the ftp snapshots, not from my SuSE distribution). 

Someone who wants to install KDE by his distribution expects that when
he installs a kde-devel.rpm or whatsoever package and gets the
information that it contains all he needs for KDE development including
an IDE and a Debugger, that this really is the case. Therefore I thought
that this package should contain at least copies of KDoc, ksgml2html and
ktranslator to make it complete at least on the KDE side; the rest that
is needed such as the compiler, Qt online-reference, make etc is
available on the system (or the distribution) anyway.

Let me ask something: If you were a beginner, and I speak of absolute
beginners, and you want to start contributing to KDE by developing
software, you have to search for the information on the net first and
collect everything together. A KDE-Developer package to allow even
beginners a comfortable start, it needs to be used as easy as possible;
therefore if I were a beginner, I would expect a complete package, and
if I hit difficulties I would think, hey, KDE still needs time to be
ready for the desktop !!

Conclusion: 

create a package containing:

-KDevelop
-KDbg
-KTranslator
-KDoc
-KSgml2Html
-A set of HTML documentation of the KDE-1.1.2 libs (we would adapt the
kdeveloprc file to ensure it is found on kdevelop setup and installed
correctly)

All programs from the KDE-SDK are included as copies of the SDK.

I think that would meet the requirements for a good package that keeps
it's promise. Any developer who doesn't want to use an IDE or use DDD
instead of KDbg should be fine with just downloading the SDK as usual.

Further, I would like to allow a download of the KDE-1.1.2 libs
documentation as well as the KDevelop handbooks as postscript versions,
so whoever wants or needs it besides the HTML version can print it out.

Does this get the agreement from everyone for the KDE-Devel* package ?

Yours,

Ralf

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