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Subject: Re: Baloo Indexer and options
From: Nathan Bradshaw <nathanlbradshaw () gmail ! com>
Date: 2014-04-21 21:51:39
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On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Lindsay Mathieson <
lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 05:25:55 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
>
> > Again, with the straw men. to quote Vishesh's blog "**We** would like to
>
> > promote the use of...." (my emphasis). No suggestion except by you that
>
> > this is one person's thinking on the subject.
>
>
>
> "I think the more important question for me is - Why would you want to
> disable temporary indexing?"
>
describing a personal opinion on a subject, not claiming the decision was
made by Vishesh alone
>
>
> "Can you imagine a non-technical user wanting to temporarily disabling
> indexing?"
>
a reasonable question... not exactly evidence of independent action to
remove a feature
>
>
> "Please trust the developers to keep sensible defaults."
>
"developers" is plural... so by definition not an individual action
>
>
> "Disabling it is a dirty hack which normal users will never discover -
> Yes, it is. The idea is that normal users won't know or care about
> indexing. What they care about is desktop search. I'm not sure how this
> violates usability."
>
no use of the singular so again, not 'evidence' of a single person's
decision to remove a feature (actually not removed, just presented in a
different way through the UI)
>
>
> "Controlling which files are indexed - We have sensible defaults, and most
> of the files that you have mentioned (.class files, *.pwc, *.o, etc) are
> never indexed. Hidden folders are also never indexed. The idea is to
> provide sensible defaults. The default list can be viewed over here - \
> https://projects.kde.org" \
> (<https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdelibs/baloo/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/file/fileexcludefilters.cpp>souce
> code file)<https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdelibs/baloo/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/file/fileexcludefilters.cpp>
>
>
>
again, "We" what are you hoping to accomplish by this?
> "<https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdelibs/baloo/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/file/fileexcludefilters.cpp>What
> we're trying to do is provide sensible defaults which will mostly just work
> for everyone"
>
>
>
> NB: Defaults are not defaults if the user doesn't have a way to override
> them
>
They do. They can be turned off via the UI, they can uninsltalled. A distro
that does not include the package can be selected. The code can be compiled
without it. The code is available as free software and can be modified to
handle any desired approach.
What exactly was the point of this gish gallop? you quoted me pointing out
that it wasn't one person's idea to "remove" a feature (really, alter the
way it is accessed) and then quoted a few sentences that prove exactly that
it wasn't one person's decision before wandering off into a discussion
about defaults
> --
>
> Lindsay
>
>
> > > Visit http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub to
> unsubscribe <<
>
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<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, \
Apr 21, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Lindsay Mathieson <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="mailto:lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">lindsay.mathieson@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u> <div style="font-family:'Bitstream Vera \
Sans';font-size:10pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal"><div class=""> <p \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">On \
Mon, 21 Apr 2014 05:25:55 PM Nathan Bradshaw wrote:</p> </div><div class=""><p \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> \
Again, with the straw men. to quote Vishesh's blog "**We** would like to</p> \
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> \
promote the use of...." (my emphasis). No suggestion except by you that</p> <p \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">> \
this is one person's thinking on the subject. </p> <p \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> \
</p> </div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">"I \
think the more important question for me is - Why would you want to disable temporary \
indexing?"</p></div></blockquote> <div><br></div><div>describing a personal \
opinion on a subject, not claiming the decision was made by Vishesh alone</div><div> \
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div style="font-family:'Bitstream Vera \
Sans';font-size:10pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal"> <p \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">"Can \
you imagine a non-technical user wanting to temporarily disabling \
indexing?"</p></div></blockquote><div><br></div> <div>a reasonable question... \
not exactly evidence of independent action to remove a feature</div><div> \
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:'Bitstream Vera \
Sans';font-size:10pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">"Please \
trust the developers to keep sensible \
defaults."</p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>"developers" is \
plural... so by definition not an individual action</div> <div> </div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:'Bitstream Vera \
Sans';font-size:10pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal"> <p \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">"Disabling \
it is a dirty hack which normal users will never discover - Yes, it is. The idea is \
that normal users won't know or care about indexing. What they care about is \
desktop search. I'm not sure how this violates usability."</p> \
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>no use of the singular so again, not \
'evidence' of a single person's decision to remove a feature (actually \
not removed, just presented in a different way through the UI)</div> <div> \
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:'Bitstream Vera \
Sans';font-size:10pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal"> <p \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">"Controlling \
which files are indexed - We have sensible defaults, and most of the files that you \
have mentioned (.class files, *.pwc, *.o, etc) are never indexed. Hidden folders are \
also never indexed. The idea is to provide sensible defaults. The default list can be \
viewed over here - <a \
href="https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdelibs/baloo/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/file/fileexcludefilters.cpp" \
target="_blank"><span \
style="text-decoration:underline;color:#0057ae">https://projects.kde.org" \
(</span></a><a href="https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdelibs/baloo/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/file/fileexcludefilters.cpp" \
target="_blank"><span \
style="font-style:italic;text-decoration:underline;color:#0057ae">souce code \
file)</span></a></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> \
</p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>again, "We" what are you hoping \
to accomplish by this?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div \
style="font-family:'Bitstream Vera \
Sans';font-size:10pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal"> <p \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><a \
href="https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdelibs/baloo/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/file/fileexcludefilters.cpp" \
target="_blank"><span \
style="text-decoration:underline;color:#0057ae">"</span></a>What we're \
trying to do is provide sensible defaults which will mostly just work for \
everyone"</p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">NB: \
Defaults are not defaults if the user doesn't have a way to override \
them</p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>They do. They can be turned off via \
the UI, they can uninsltalled. A distro that does not include the package can be \
selected. The code can be compiled without it. The code is available as free software \
and can be modified to handle any desired approach.</div> \
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>What exactly was the point of this gish gallop? \
you quoted me pointing out that it wasn't one person's idea to \
"remove" a feature (really, alter the way it is accessed) and then quoted a \
few sentences that prove exactly that it wasn't one person's decision before \
wandering off into a discussion about defaults</div> <div><br></div><div> \
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:'Bitstream Vera \
Sans';font-size:10pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">-- \
</p> <p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Lindsay</p></div><br><br>
>> Visit <a href="http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub" \
target="_blank">http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub</a> to \
unsubscribe <<<br> <br></blockquote></div><br></div></div>
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