From kde-devel Wed Aug 05 04:54:51 2009 From: Anne Wilson Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 04:54:51 +0000 To: kde-devel Subject: Re: KDE4: missing features from KDE3 Message-Id: <200908050554.52186.cannewilson () googlemail ! com> X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-devel&m=124944816301153 MIME-Version: 1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--===============1693658903==" --===============1693658903== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart4845193.ARNzlmZl2f"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart4845193.ARNzlmZl2f Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tuesday 04 August 2009 22:10:16 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > it's not a simple issue; it existed before kde 4 was around. It's not a simple issue. And it's not even about KDE, 3 or 4, IMO. Just=20 google for NetworkManager or PulseAudio. There's exactly the same anger go= ing=20 on there. If it's the economy, or global warming or whatever, we just have to sit it= =20 out, and it will right itself in time. If it's a loss of values and mutual= =20 respect in western communities then we are on a losing battle. Unfortunate= ly=20 I suspect it is the latter, which leaves us needing to have survival=20 strategies. You know well enough how often developers have said that they won't read us= er=20 MLs as they are too depressing. Well, I've been reading them and dealing w= ith=20 them for some years now, and the last year has been so bad that I've often= =20 thought that I can't go on much longer. We really do have to address this,= =20 not just complain about it. Lately I've taken to saying that I will try to answer a person's questions,= no=20 matter how unreasonable they sound for two or at the most three levels of t= he=20 thread. If they have not changed to a reasonable tone by then I walk away,= =20 and don't answer any more questions from them. It's not good, but it's the= =20 only thing that's keeping me sane. Looking at it logically, these people are like the 2-year-olds that throw=20 tantrums. If they get attention it continues. If they are ignored it beco= mes=20 pointless. Let's start taking the responsible parent attitude, and refusin= g=20 to let their tantrums get them the attention they crave. Maybe they'll lea= rn=20 to behave better. If they don't they can always leave - no loss to anyone. Meanwhile, I ask you once again to look at the little things that cause=20 irritation out of all proportion. IMO starting with the language of bug ta= gs=20 would be a very big step forward. I know that many bug reports are useless= =2E =20 I know that many are simply wishes - and that we can't always have what we= =20 wish, for any number of reasons. I know that we will soon have to close=20 hundreds of bugs because the projects are now unmaintained, and that mayhem= =20 will break loose again when that's done. Let's look, at least, on how we c= an=20 minimise the pain, both for the user and for developers. Anne =2D-=20 New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase --nextPart4845193.ARNzlmZl2f Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkp5EJwACgkQbMErw/n0TZo78wCfaQ71jhEDy25LA1Y32mEyxWZ9 WwMAniGTJ6qHjEy+YsmnI3kZfDGu9XPB =j3m9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart4845193.ARNzlmZl2f-- --===============1693658903== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >> Visit http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub to unsubscribe << --===============1693658903==--