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On Tuesday 04 August 2009 20:09:07 Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> On Tuesday 04 August 2009, Parker Coates wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 14:00, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > > the user community is making a bed for itself that i don't think it's
> > > going to want to lie in.
> >
> > I think more accurate portrayal might be "A relatively small number of
> > ingrates is pissing in the bed the whole user community is forced to
> > share."
>
> when one developer does something unfortunate in public, it's the entire
> project that is held responsible for it. that's probably fair, and it
> ensures that we care about keeping some level of support there for each
> other so that we are all on the same page and not making too many repeat
> mistakes. it also means that when one of us screws up (it happens, we're
> all human), a bunch of us go into fix-it mode.
>
> contrast this with the user situation.
>
> when one (or a few) users do something unfortunate in public, it's always
> "those few users". i don't buy that anymore.
>
> there is a user community that revolves around KDE which has a lot of
> interaction with us. they are a special group of people who care a lot
> about f/oss and KDE in particular and spend time interacting with others =
in
> the KDE world. that's undeniably GREAT.
>
> but it's a community not unlike the developer community in terms of shared
> responsibility and coherence.
>
> right now the development community is expected to manage those users and
> that's really not possible as it ends up exposing us-them lines (users -
> developers), nor is it fair to the developers who are already fairly busy
> making the software and managing the development community.
>
> we have the community working group, and it's a great huge first step. it
> would be awesome to see more of the involved user community start to take
> into consideration that there's a shared responsibility here amongst all =
of
> those people. if it's a few people pissing in the bed, those laying in th=
at
> bed ought to do something about it. if nobody does anything about it, then
> it isn't just a few people pissing in the bed, it's everybody.

Now you're making me really angry.  You have no idea how often ordinary car=
ing=20
users do stand up to be counted, defending developers.

Anne
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