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Subject: Re: Feeding trolls
From: "Nathan Bradshaw" <nathanlbradshaw () gmail ! com>
Date: 2008-06-10 18:41:04
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On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:21 PM, James Richard Tyrer <tyrerj@acm.org> wrote:
a sad attempt to recast himself as the injured party.
nice try wingnut, but coming on to a development mailing list, engaging in
off topic rants, maligning the character and work of the developers and then
trying to play the injured party when someone has a go at you doesn't make
you a sympathetic figure it just makes you look like what you are: a
pointless distraction and one who can dish it but can't take it to boot.
And of course you don't want to address any particular points, because you
simply can't, and simply listing arguments styles from 'A Troll's guide to
argument techniques' doesn't actually serve to refute anything I said about
you. There is no justification for your participation on this mailing list.
You are not a developer (let's see some of your work if in fact you are a
developer) and you aren't engaging in a conversation about development and
you don't appear fluent in the lingua franca of the list.
Nathan Bradshaw wrote:
> A lot of crap.
> <SNIP>
> I have decided not to feed a troll so I am not going to reply to
> individual items.
>
> The proper term for what some people have been posting is "fallacious
> rhetorical devices" -- this is what I meant although I have usually not
> used the full term. These are things that people say when they don't
> want to discuss the actual issue.
>
> Probably the worst of these, and one that you seem to rely on greatly,
> is 'ad hominem ' attack. Basically, when you disagree with what someone
> said, you simply resort to personally attacking them. What does it
> accomplish?
>
> Another is usually called an extended argument. This is distorting what
> the other person actually said when you reply. There are also lesser
> degrees of this. A good example is that you said that I tell people
> what to do when actually I tell people what I think. But, you wouldn't
> get very far complaining that I was telling people what I thought, would
> you because we all have the right to tell people what we think -- it is
> called free speech.
>
> And then you threw in some stuff that seems to be specific to OSS.
> These statements are particularly offensive since they tend to denigrate
> the principles of OSS. But they are really just other forms of 'ad
> hominem' attack.
>
> --
> JRT
>
> >> Visit http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub to
> unsubscribe <<
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 2:21 PM, James Richard Tyrer \
<<a href="mailto:tyrerj@acm.org">tyrerj@acm.org</a>> wrote: a sad attempt to \
recast himself as the injured party.<br><br>nice try wingnut, but coming on to a \
development mailing list, engaging in off topic rants, maligning the character and \
work of the developers and then trying to play the injured party when someone has a \
go at you doesn't make you a sympathetic figure it just makes you look like what \
you are: a pointless distraction and one who can dish it but can't take it to \
boot.<br> <br>And of course you don't want to address any particular points, \
because you simply can't, and simply listing arguments styles from 'A \
Troll's guide to argument techniques' doesn't actually serve to refute \
anything I said about you. There is no justification for your participation on this \
mailing list. You are not a developer (let's see some of your work if in fact you \
are a developer) and you aren't engaging in a conversation about development and \
you don't appear fluent in the lingua franca of the list. <br> \
<br><br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, \
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Nathan Bradshaw wrote:<br> \
A lot of crap.<br> <SNIP><br>
I have decided not to feed a troll so I am not going to reply to<br>
individual items.<br>
<br>
The proper term for what some people have been posting is "fallacious<br>
rhetorical devices" -- this is what I meant although I have usually not<br>
used the full term. These are things that people say when they don't<br>
want to discuss the actual issue.<br>
<br>
Probably the worst of these, and one that you seem to rely on greatly,<br>
is 'ad hominem ' attack. Basically, when you disagree with what \
someone<br> said, you simply resort to personally attacking them. What does \
it<br> accomplish?<br>
<br>
Another is usually called an extended argument. This is distorting what<br>
the other person actually said when you reply. There are also lesser<br>
degrees of this. A good example is that you said that I tell people<br>
what to do when actually I tell people what I think. But, you wouldn't<br>
get very far complaining that I was telling people what I thought, would<br>
you because we all have the right to tell people what we think -- it is<br>
called free speech.<br>
<br>
And then you threw in some stuff that seems to be specific to OSS.<br>
These statements are particularly offensive since they tend to denigrate<br>
the principles of OSS. But they are really just other forms of 'ad<br>
hominem' attack.<br>
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</font><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">JRT<br>
<br>
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target="_blank">http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub</a> to \
unsubscribe <<<br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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