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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: KDE 4.1 rc1 issues
From:       Robert Knight <robertknight () gmail ! com>
Date:       2008-05-31 22:05:20
Message-ID: 1212271520.9641.20.camel () robert-laptop
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Hello Sam,

Thanks for the feedback.

> 4. Konsole context menu has an item named "Change profile". It seems
>    to me it could mean either "modify a/the profile" or "change to a
>    profile".

That occurred to me as well but I couldn't think of an alternative which 
was equally short.  I think it is important to keep the text of the menu items
down to a reasonable length otherwise navigating to sub-menus becomes tricky.  
This is especially true when the text is translated into certain non-English languages.

"Apply Profile" perhaps, except that this doesn't convey that subsequently changing 
that profile will update that session.  Strings are frozen now so any changes will have 
to happen in the 4.2 cycle.


> 5. In Konsole, the scrollback size is now limited to 10000 unless set
>    to unlimited. I used to have a scrollback buffer of 25000 in KDE
>    3.5, now I can't.

That is a stupid bug in the profile editor.  The limit, which is only there to prevent
silly amounts of memory being allocated, was supposed to be 100,000 not 10,000.  You can get 
100,000 temporarily using Scrollback -> Scrollback Options.  Fixed in trunk.


> 6. In Konsole, in the Advanced tab of Edit current profile, there is
>    a checkbox "Enable flow control using Ctrl+S , Ctrl+Q".

I'll fix the text during the 4.2 cycle.  The checkbox being disabled is a 
bug which I'll try to fix before the release.  


> 39. In Konsole, Edit current profile, Appearance, is there a way to
>     turn off the animation? Generally the first thing I do when I
>     configure KDE, after increasing font sizes, is to turn all
>     animations off. I just don't like what I do artificially slowed
>     down by eye candy :)

No, but if you could file a bug report I'll make sure that Konsole respects KDE's global animation 
settings.


> 48. In Konsole, it is not immediately obvious that the way to change
>     how it looks like is to choose "Edit current profile".

I'm open to suggestions.  I thought about using the word "Settings" instead of "Profile" so
it would become "Edit Current Settings".  The problem with that is it could be confused with
"Manage Settings" and other applications which generally use the term "Profile" rather than
"Settings".

Regards,
Robert.

On Sat, 2008-05-31 at 23:39 +0300, Sami Liedes wrote:
> [Retry, hope you don't get this twice - although I did add a couple of
> items.]
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I tested KDE 4.1 rc1 from Debian experimental for a few hours,
> configuring it and just doing stuff I'd normally do, and here's a list
> of issues I found. I wasn't sure you would like me to file dozens of
> bugs, so here they are all for now, in no specific order.
> 
> I'm testing it on amd64, Intel display card on a HP laptop. Generally
> I try to turn at least all animations off (I just don't like them).
> 
> The screenshots I refer to are available at
> http://www.hut.fi/~sliedes/kde4/
> .
> 
> 1. General brokenness with bigger-than-default fonts. I use font size
>    11 on my laptop (on which I tested KDE), and that seems to break
>    things. On my desktop I use font size 12, and if my monitor was
>    bigger and hence farther away, I'd probably use even bigger
>    fonts. :)
>      - see font-size-*.png
> 
> 2. I can't figure out how to use the control center keyboard shortcuts
>    configuration thing with keyboard. Specifically how to expand an
>    item to show the mini-window or something that lets me change the
>    shortcut.
> 
> 3. The keyboard shortcuts pane doesn't scroll down until too late when
>    scrolling with keyboard when an item is opened.
>      - see kb-shortcuts-scroll-[123].png. I pressed the down arrow key
>        between those shots.
> 
> 4. Konsole context menu has an item named "Change profile". It seems
>    to me it could mean either "modify a/the profile" or "change to a
>    profile". Turns out it means the latter. Perhaps consider changing
>    it to "Switch to profile" or something?
> 
> 5. In Konsole, the scrollback size is now limited to 10000 unless set
>    to unlimited. I used to have a scrollback buffer of 25000 in KDE
>    3.5, now I can't.
> 
> 6. In Konsole, in the Advanced tab of Edit current profile, there is
>    a checkbox "Enable flow control using Ctrl+S , Ctrl+Q".
>      - The string has an extra space before the ','
>      - The option is disabled (grayed out). Why?
>      - see konsole-flow-control.png
> 
> 7. In Gwenview, there is no default keyboard shortcut for
>    Browse. Hence I think it's not very usable by keyboard without
>    configuring it.
> 
> 8. In Konqueror, by default ctrl-minus works, but ctrl-+ not. Turns
>    out the default key to zoom in is ctrl-=, which isn't very
>    logical. And on my keyboard (and probably dozens of others), = is
>    in shift-0.
> 
> 9. In Konqueror, configure shortcuts, the alphabetical display idea
>    doesn't IMHO work very well. For example, it would be nicer if
>    "Shrink font" and "Enlarge font" were somehow grouped together.
> 
> 10. Some global shortcuts seem really weird, and it's not obvious
>     where they work. For example, "Go to KDE website", which is bound
>     to "E"(!)
>       - see shortcut-goto-kde-site-e.png
> 
> 11. In Control center, shortcuts seem to report that they conflict
>     with themselves. Also they often just don't work.
>       - see shortcut-self-conflict.png
>       - might this have something to do with the fact that there are
>         both categories "System settings" and "kwin", which seem to
>         overlap?
> 	- see kb-shortcuts-components.png
>       - also might this have to do with the fact that I had a ~/.kde
>         from KDE 3.5.9 before I installed KDE 4.1 rc1?
> 
> 12. In the shortcuts pane, when I scroll around with PgUp/PgDown, an
>     opened shortcut screen (the one that lets me change the shortcut)
>     often ends up on the text.
>       - see shortcut-window-on-text.png to see what I mean
> 
> 13. In shortcuts, there are lots of redundant tooltips. Every shortcut
>     is tooltipped with its name, the very same that is already
>     displayed. Also when a shortcut is expanded, every item inside
>     that pane is tooltipped with the shortcut's name.
>       - see shortcuts-tooltips-*.png
> 
> 14. Some of the "global" shortcuts are very application specific, like
>     "Remap Ctrl-W to Ctrl-F4 in Qt Designer".
>       - see kb-shortcuts-components.png
> 
> 15. Is there a shortcut to open the K menu? Why can't I find it? At
>     least alt-F1 doesn't work.
> 
> 16. Is (manual) panel hiding gone? No more hide buttons in the edges
>     of the panel.
> 
> 17. In control center, mouse, "num pad" should perhaps be expanded to
>     "number pad".
>       - see control-mouse-num-pad.png
> 
> 18. This might be Debian specific, but a some icons just aren't
>     there. Like everything by default on the desktop, and in control
>     center, Autostart.
>       - see missing-icons.png
> 
> 19. In control center -> desktop effects, just switching to the other
>     tab marks it dirty (modified) so that when I move to another
>     module, I get asked if I want to apply the changes.
> 
> 20. Configuring the number of desktops. It seems to me that this
>     should also be accessible from the control center, not only by
>     right-clicking pager. Or didn't I just find it?
> 
> 21. The expose/whatever effect. I think it would be nice if it was
>     possible to switch between the different modes (windows on current
>     desktop, windows on all desktops, all desktops) by pressing the
>     relevant shortcut (ctrl-f8/9/10 by default) without pressing ESC
>     in between.
> 
> 22. Click the K menu, move mouse to Leave, move mouse down so it's on
>     the panel, click to close the menu, don't move mouse further,
>     click - while the pointer is above the task manager, clicks go to
>     the K menu button (or at least open the K menu). Only moving the
>     mouse highlights the window button below the mouse.
> 
> 23. Menus, those without any effects, feel somehow slow. I think it
>     takes maybe .2 or .3 seconds to open a normal menu, eg. in
>     gwenview (or any other KDE program). I have all animations turned
>     off.
> 
> 24. When waiting for a reply from a site, I think Konqueror should
>     show "Connecting 10.0.0.1..." or something in the status bar. Now
>     the only indication something is happening is animating the konq
>     icon, and it's so tiny that it's easily not noticed. At the same
>     time, the status bar says whatever was left there before, like
>     "Canceled".
> 
> 25. In Konqueror, shortcut settings, open a shortcut edit
>     window. Closing it reopens it. This happens twice. Maybe related
>     with the next item.
> 
> 26. Why is everything in Konq default search engine settings tripled?
>       - see konq-search-engines-tripled.png
> 
> 27. Konqueror web cache, proxy settings, cookies, browser ident
>     windows say "This configuration item is already opened in System
>     Settings". No, they're not.
> 
> 28. The keyboard switcher flag is shown 1.5 times in the taskbar.
>       - see kb-switcher-taskbar.png
> 
> 29. K menu -> Utilities icon looks somewhat like a terminal. However
>     the terminal program, Konsole, is in System, which looks like a
>     cog wheel. This is confusing.
> 
> 30. In the new style K menu, is the scrollbar the only way to scroll
>     it with a mouse without a scroll wheel? The scroll bar is so
>     narrow (well, a standard scroll bar) that this makes using the
>     menu without a wheel mouse very clumsy.
> 
> 31. In Konqueror settings, when I choose to change my home page, the
>     browse button opens a *folder* selection dialog. Hmm?
> 
> 32. Why does the Konqueror settings window always stay above the
>     browser? Ok, I can see what this can be good for, but it's very
>     limiting, especially as the dialog doesn't have a minimize button.
> 
> 33. In Konqueror, even when I disable animations, animated gifs are
>     still animated.
> 
> 34. In Konqueror, in the location field, text cursor is not shown if
>     there are any completions shown. This makes editing the current
>     url hard.
> 
> 35. In Konqueror, pressing ctrl-l to get to the location field now
>     clears it. That's not nice. Perhaps I just want to modify the url
>     a bit, fix a typo or something. How do I do that without using a
>     mouse?
> 
> 36. When I start Konqueror from alt-f2, why does it try to go to
>     file:///home/user/application/x-webarchive?
> 
> 37. In the alt-f2 run command interface, I think using the shade of
>     gray that is now used for completion is not good. It's too dark,
>     too close to the black text to tell quickly apart. Consider using
>     either lighter gray or some other color.
> 
> 38. In the panel, the plug-in device icon is nondescriptive. It looks
>     like a laptop, doesn't immediately speak anything about
>     devices. Perhaps the semi-standard device icon could be used
>     instead?
> 
> 39. In Konsole, Edit current profile, Appearance, is there a way to
>     turn off the animation? Generally the first thing I do when I
>     configure KDE, after increasing font sizes, is to turn all
>     animations off. I just don't like what I do artificially slowed
>     down by eye candy :)
> 
> 40. In Konqueror, when I get an untrusted certificate, showing details
>     shows "Trusted: TODO".
>       - see ssl-cert-trusted-todo.png
> 
> 41. Konqueror for some reason asks about restoring session when I
>     start a second instance, and also every time I open a new window
>     with Ctrl-N. Also it seems that not always any session is
>     restored.
> 
> 42. In the asking about restoring session dialog, "Ask me later" is
>     slightly confusing. Later when? When I next start Konqueror?
> 
> 43. ksnapshot window titlebar says "[modified]" even when the current
>     snapshot has been saved.
> 
> 44. In Konqueror, pressing enter after typing an URL freezes the
>     browser for a while when the network is not responding. Does it
>     block when resolving the host or something?
> 
> 45. The task manager seems to take several seconds to react to
>     changing desktops using ctrl-F[1234].
> 
> 46. In Konqueror, it seems when I middle-click a link to open it in a
>     new tab, there is no immediate feedback and the tab is only opened
>     after something has been loaded, which might well be tens of
>     seconds later.
> 
> 47. It often happens that when I enter login information into some web
>     form, KDE asks if I want to save it in my wallet. When I click
>     yes, it asks for the wallet password. However Konqueror will
>     present its cookie acceptance question form above the kwallet
>     password input dialog, stealing focus.
> 
> 48. In Konsole, it is not immediately obvious that the way to change
>     how it looks like is to choose "Edit current profile".
> 
> 49. It has happened already a few times to me that when I refresh a
>     tab in Konqueror by pressing F5, Konqueror just disappears. It
>     doesn't segfault, I could see that from dmesg. I don't know what
>     happens.
> 
> I must say 4.1rc1 seems much more promising than 4.0 (I also needed
> KOrganizer so I went back to 3.5.9 anyway), but seems to me there are
> still some rough edges :) Keep up the good work!
> 
> 	Sami
>  
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