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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: KListView, Dolphin and usability
From:       "Aaron J. Seigo" <aseigo () kde ! org>
Date:       2007-02-14 20:54:30
Message-ID: 200702141354.31112.aseigo () kde ! org
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On February 14, 2007, Mark A. Taff wrote:
> Bottom line is I don't think simple tagging/filtering is going to be enough
> by themselves, mostly because it will be too slow ( I don't see how you can
> make text-tagging faster than click-drag?).

textual tagging is a subset of tagging and only one possible implementation. 
there are several ways to create and manipulate grouping through user defined 
labels.

in any case, one trivial/obvious way that text tagging can be faster is if you 
can see the tags at all times and drag icons onto the tags. this way you can 
scroll through large lists of documents and continue to group them without 
having to have specific part of the content window showing (divorcing content 
view from organization).

another way is that if one keeps the tags around (including harvesting them 
from metadata to begin with) one can quickly switch between different 
grouping configurations with one or two clicks which can arrange the entire 
collection. an example might be selecting "date" and dragging a slider 
to "last 2 months". or clicking on "people" and selecting "mark" from a list 
of shown possibilities. so through tagging, even textual, one can save time 
by preserving attributes on which to group, sort and filter rather than doing 
it manually every single time.

this: http://www.liquidbrowsing.com/ has some very interesting concepts. we've 
met with the creator of this concept in person a couple times and he's 
willing to let us use the concepts in kde.

i really think that if we sometimes say "this isn't good enough" and simply 
remove that as a possible answer (e.g. "no free dragging") that we'll come up 
with actual good answers that achieve the desired solution in a better way. 
meantime we can be pragmatic and keep free dragging, but being content with 
it or arguing that it MUST be there because it's the answer we have is 
personally unsatisfying =)

> Now we're cooking with gas! 

heh. glad you like that. it's something we discussed last year in the 
usability group one of the times i was in germany. i think it has great 
potential. it's also a form of tagging ;)

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