--===============1871015301== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2105888.4H4VZeh2q1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart2105888.4H4VZeh2q1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 31 January 2007 15:30, Krzysztof Lichota wrote: > Matisse is more about usability. i know; and it makes me giggle =3D) > You can run KDE with Compiz, but it is not as well integrated as kwin. which is why we probably want to stick with kwin. > Composite extensions to kwin do not have publicity at all. right, it's not time for that yet. > I don't even know if they work.=20 they do. i've used them and lubos has been blogging about it, even putting = up=20 screen capture movies. > And Compiz is a great=20 > marketing tool to convince people to try Linux. I can see a lot of "why > should I use Windows, I have Compiz and it rocks" statements on forums. reality check: these people saying that are linux users. i know there are=20 people wanting to convince us all that compiz is creating a huge user rush,= =20 but it's not (unfortunately). it is useful, but it's not all that and a bag= =20 of chips. it's pretty important we keep our head about us when making decisions for k= de=20 so we don't go chasing after rainbows and butterflies =3D) > > you also overstate the state of a11y in other open source projects. have > > you actually tried to set such a thing up, or are you speaking from the > > perspective of someone who reads the press releases? because a11y is > > anything but a solved issue; many distros are pushing for an easier > > installation and set up path for the existing corba based systems becau= se > > they are just that baroque. > > I have not used accessibility. i was kde's first envoy to the fsg accessibility group some 4 years ago.=20 thankfully others came along to help out and take over who are more=20 interested and vested in the topic than i am. but it has given me a decent= =20 vantage point =3D) > I am talking from the perspective what is publicized (and marketing > matters).=20 yes, it does. (god, why am *i* of all people on *this* side of the=20 conversation? ;) it also needs to happen at the right time and in the right= =20 ways, as i'm sure you'll agree. iaccessibility2 support in qt via dbus is set as a for sure thing for 4.4 a= nd=20 will either be part of 4.3 or available as an add-on for 4.3. then we need = to=20 do some integration with kde. THEN we can go out and kick some marketing as= s. this is something we've been carefully planning for the last 3 or so years.= i=20 wish it happened faster too but that just wasn't plausible. meanwhile, the= =20 alternatives are still clunky. we'll emerge with a working solution and=20 that's what matters. > Compiz and a11y was just examples. I am talking about general climate - > seems like most recent advancements are in Gnome arena. so let me say it again: that's simply not true. gnome has always tried to p= ut=20 forward a "we're better than..." message; i've been watching this happen=20 since the corba and bonobo vs dcop and kparts days. it's never been true an= d=20 it isn't true. > For example=20 > Beagle (not talking about its quality, but anyways) or NetworkManager > (first developed for Gnome, then added frontend for KDE). They might not > be strictly Gnome apps, but they are associated with it. beagle: swahili for overrated. even gnome is moving to tracker, which is mu= ch=20 more like strigi than anything else. and the vandeoever, the strigi=20 architect, is the guy who is leading standardization in this area on fd.o;= =20 it's also the project that nepomuk is working with most and nepomuk is a=20 unique feature set. again, we'll shout it from the roof tops when it is tim= e. networkmanager: yes, it debuted first in gnome. kde has good support for it= =20 now as well, however. wait. ... is that ubuntu i smell? > >> I think the timing for KDE4 development is really unfortunate. This ye= ar > >> is the year when Vista comes out and there is an opportunity to draw > >> disappointed Windows users to Linux. Stalling improvements in existing > >> and proved technology (KDE3) in order to present them with brilliant > >> technology later (KDE4) is not going to help. It will be too late. > > > > i wish it were that obvious and clear cut. there are limitations in kde3 > > that are stuck with as long as we stick to our commitments on things li= ke > > binary compatibility. > > Yes, I agree. But there are also things which might be improved without > it, like infamous bug in disconnected IMAP which wipes e-mails > (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D63353). IMHO such improvements are > more important than new technology in KDE4 (like Akonadi). except that akonadi is a way to solve that bug, among others which are pret= ty=20 much intractable with the design in kde3. given that, what do you think now? here's the greatest irony of the open source fanbase: they love what we do = but=20 they also seem to think we're borderline idiots =3D) i hope some of the above helps provide useful information. =2D-=20 Aaron J. 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