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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    Re: Alternative to traditional (virtual) desktop: The Strip
From:       Lubos Lunak <l.lunak () suse ! cz>
Date:       2005-12-11 23:05:48
Message-ID: 200512120005.48676.l.lunak () suse ! cz
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Dne neděle 11 prosinec 2005 13:32 Janne Ojaniemi napsal(a):> On Saturday 10 December 2005 15:35, Lubos \
Lunak wrote:> >Your mail, just like the others in this> > thread, lacks one important thing that \
prevented KDE from being yet> > another long-forgotten something from the 90's - something along the> > \
lines of "I will work on it".>> Speaking for myself here: I'm not a coder. I couldn't code my way out of \
an> empty room if I had to. Does that mean that my suggestions are less valid?  No. It just means that \
unless you find somebody to make it reality it'll remain to be a suggestion. That may be a subtle detail \
or a big problem depending on how lucky you'll be.
> > If it's just accidentally missing, you are welcome to> > join kwin@kde.org . If not, then just submit \
> > your wish at bugs.kde.org> > and wait until the kwin team gets to it.>> I thought about doing that, \
> > yes. But I decided to first find out what other> thought of the idea. Healthy discussion is a good \
> > thing, and I think this> place has better potential for that than bugs.kde.org. After the idea has> \
> > been refined, it could be submitted to b.k.o.
 Hmm, ok, feel free to discuss it. Nobody is stopping you. It's just that since this is kde-devel there's \
probably a better place if you want to just discuss it.
> > Anybody> > can have ideas, but they don't magically become reality, somebody has to> > write and \
> > maintain that. Sorry for spoiling the fun, but that's the way> > it is.>> I don't think anyone here \
> > has said "I want this feature NOW! Get coding you> lazy bastards!". It was more like a "Here's a \
> > nifty idea, what do you guys> think? Could something like this be done?". No-one is expecting this> \
> > feature to magically appear from thin air.
 And I don't think I said "No way you're going to get the feature, forget it and shut up!". It was more \
like a "regardless of how nifty an idea, the only guy actively working these days on things like this \
already does a lousy job of just maintaining what is already there". In fact I didn't say anything about \
the feature itself in the previous mail.
> Or should I intrepet your mail so that only those who can code are allowed> to have ideas and \
> suggestions? If some non-coder makes a suggestion, the> suggestion should be ignored. And only coders \
> can discuss things.
 Relax.
> If that is the way you feel, then I'm afraid that KDE will remain "designed> by coders, for \
> coders"-desktop, and we can forget about "conquering the> desktop"-thingy, since 99% of people are not \
> coders. How do coders know how> non-coders use their computers? Are coders experts in usability and \
> look &> feel? I'm not saying that I'm an expert on those fields, but fact remains> that coders know \
> code. But that doesn't mean that they know every other> thing as well inside out. And just because \
> someone is not a coder does not> mean that their suggestions should be ignored.
 I intentionally used "work" and not any form of "code" in "I will work on it". I have here half-done \
documentation of KWin's window-specific settings that I still haven't finished because I'm really bad at \
this stuff. Feel like helping with that?
> Designing a modern GUI requires cooperation from several groups. Coders are> just one of them. But I \
> can't help but feel that in KDE and open source in> general, the coders are the one who make decisions, \
> while others play> second fiddle. Regardless of the fact that their input would be just as> important \
> in the grand scheme of things.
 Coders may be just one of the groups but, whether you, me or whoever else like it or not, they are the \
most important. Anybody can make suggestions, but only coders can make most of them reality. This, \
together with the fact that a project always has coders and the fact that coders may have to do even \
other things because the project may not have enough other groups, may be a reason for the second fiddle \
situation. If you don't like it, put a "life sucks" sticker somewhere visible.  I would love to at least \
try your suggestion. Just like I would love to try thousands of other things. You're free to do whatever \
                you want with your suggestion. I just wanted to tell you that you'll eventually need a \
                coder.
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