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List:       kde-devel
Subject:    RE: KDE Kleanup
From:       lando <lando () kde-artists ! org>
Date:       2005-08-29 6:11:20
Message-ID: 200508282311.20314.lando () kde-artists ! org
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> > As you may all be aware the desktop background tiles that come
> > default with KDE are extremely out dated.  We have compiled a list of
> > the tiles that we are planning to remove below.
> > ---------------------------------
> > All Good People          
> > Black Marble              
> > Chicken Songs
> > Circuit
> > Foggy
> > Marble
> > No-ones-laughing
> > Paper01
> > Planning And Probing
> > Time for Lunch
> > Totally New Product
> > Won Ton Soup
> > ----------------------------------
> >
> > We would like to ask if any of you know of any current applications
> > that rely on any of these tiles?
> >
> > We will compile a list with updated wallpaper tile sets that better
> > fit the current look and feel of KDE as a whole. We need your input
> > before we can go on to the next step.
> >
> > Lando    
> >
> > > > > No-ones-laughing does not look outdated, is light and is
> > > > > perfect for the card game.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is paper still default (it is on mine) it is as repetitive as
> > > > > the others listed here, remove that one instead of
> > > > > No-ones-laughing.
> > > >
> > > > The original list had been shortened by Stephan Kulow for the
> > > > sake of clearer communication. I restored the list with its
> > > > original content. Thank you for drawing my attention to this.
> > >
> > > One thing to consider is that some people may be using some of
> > > these tiles for their desktop background. It would be a shame to
> > > surprise them by removing them, so maybe they can be moved to a
> > > different module (maybe even a new one) so they can still be
> > > distributed. Of course, since they probably won't require much in
> > > the way of maintenance, maybe they could just be dropped into a
> > > tarball on the ftp server (complete with any .desktop files
> > > relevant).
> > >
> > > For example, I use at least three of these on remote desktops I
> > > use, to significantly reduce the bandwidth and redraw speed.
> > > (Circuit, Chicken Songs, Marble).
> >
> > On top I have included the original post in full.  I hope this
> > answers the concerns you may have.
>
> Actually, it completely fails to answer the concerns I have. Just
> quoting back the original mail shows you fail to see what my concerns
> are.
How can that be?
>
> You say that some of these look outdated, so you want to remove them.
>
> I say that I know that some people use them, and don't find them
> outdated.
>
> There is a famous painting hanging on a wall in the Louvre in Paris.
> Some would say the Mona Lisa looks outdated, others would say that it
> is outdated but is popular, and yet others would say that it looks as
> fresh today as it did 500 years ago when Leonardo painted it. Would you
> remove it?
Hell yes I would remove it, given the proper permission anyone in their right 
mind would. I mean do you know how much its worth? ;D
> The Art Deco style from the 1920s and 1930s now looks dated, but some
> people like it and some don't. Would you remove all examples of this
> style?
If your asking if I would remove any background tiles that resembled an Art 
Deco style? I am not aware of any that do. So I am unable to answer this 
question.
> What I am saying is, while you 'artists' find some of these tiles
> outdated, other people find them attractive and useful. There is an old
> expression "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" that fits in rather
> well here.
I find all of your comments interesting, and some disturbing. There seems to 
be a distinct difference between something that is considered a classic, 
verses being outdated. But, just as you said in your way, this is subject to 
individual perspective. The thing that I find ironic is that the whole point 
of this post to this, other mailing lists, and websites, is to gain a wider  
perspective before proceeding with any action. 

The list had been shortened. I changed that because you had asked about 
removing the Paper tile. My intention behind reposting the complete list is 
was to make sure there was no surprises or bombs dropped on anybody. When I 
stated that "We need your input before we can go on to the next step." it is 
meant in earnest.  The thing that I find disturbing is what seems to be an 
attempt at insult all throughout your reply. We are not making any rash or 
self motivated decisions here. Hence the very post that you are reading. 

I fail to understand what it is that I wrote that would warrant any level of 
emotional response on this subject? If my repost of the original topic seemed 
insulting in any way I assure you it was purely and entirely by accident.   
> I realise that you will never get a consensus on these tiles, all I am
> asking is for you to ensure that they stay available, even if it is
> only as a snapshot tarball of what they are now.
As for the tiles in question of course the final list will be put in the 
appropriate folder.     
> A.
In the end we are just a group of people wanting to contribute to the most 
beautiful and powerful D.E. that we believe exists.  Simple as that. :) 

lando
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