Hi, KDE startup process waits in "initialize services" for ever! The only thing I remember changing is some iptables change! I am at the xfce now and Kmail working fine for me but none of editors ( kate, kedit or even gedit) come up, just wait for ever! Could anybody help me? Thanks Arash >> Visit http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub to unsubscribe <<