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On Wednesday 05 January 2005 09:16, Damien Uern wrote:
> > now, obviously hiding something so dear to so many in a text file isn't
> > the way to go, otherwise why are we creating a GUI? certainly not to
> > force people to use the command line and text editors. Ah! but we have
> > KConfigEditor! which.... isn't installed with KDE, and which is sort of=
 a
>
> I'm assuming KConfigEditor is kind of like GConf?

yes and no. i'd recommend that you go find out: download it, install it, tr=
y=20
it, read about KConfigXT which it leverages... or at the very least, wait f=
or=20
an answer to your query before going on and drawing conclusions.

i mean, this is a devel list, right? conversation on this list should be=20
informed (and informing), rather than a bunch of assumptions, personal saws=
=20
and what not being tossed back and forth. this thread simply continues and=
=20
contines because it's not a developer's discussion, it's slashdot on a=20
mailing list! ;-)

> like that. I think these "Set and Forget" one time options should be
> available only in such a configuration program, rather than cluttering up
> option dialogs. That way, a number of tweaks can grow so that most people
> can be satisfied with what the program provides and how it behaves.

this is a bad heuristic. options that are relegated to KConfigEditor are no=
t=20
easy to find (ditto for GConf and the Windows Registry Editor).  now S&F (S=
et=20
and Forget) settings that are _commonly_ sought after should be=20
_easily_found. settings that are inane, work arounds, truly niche, well..=20
those might be good candidates for sticking them in the backwaters.

but believe me, i've heard enough people complain about how hard it is to=20
configure systems that rely on tree based configuration editors.=20
navigationally,  they are KControl taken to the absurd level if you think=20
about it.

so, no, i don't think that shoving everything out into a hard to navigate,=
=20
hard to find app is the right way to go at all. it's the easy solution=20
because other's have done it and so it's "obvious". but let's face it, that=
=20
obvious solution has pretty much sucked for the platforms that have gone th=
at=20
way.

> I would *love* to see an app like Konqueror simplified right down by
> default, but allow people to add a whole bunch of stuff back to it if they
> desire. Keep it really simple with really smart and appropriate defaults=
=20
> for novice users and there should be less complaints and less basic
> questions on IRC :)=20

=2E.. until they are not-novice users and then they bitch and moan. people =
have=20
mentioned FireFox's plugin add ons. this is manageable for a single=20
application, perhaps (though it's really more than i'd like to go through a=
nd=20
speaking with FireFox users on various platforms that seems to be the commo=
n=20
case), but just imagine if this were applied to the whole desktop.

people are concentrating on this one option in one page of one dialog. if w=
e=20
raise our heads a bit we'll notice there are a lot of such dialogs and=20
options around the desktop. this is a global problem needing a global=20
strategy.

> Some options that need to be changed  a reasonable amount but are fairly
> advanced could be resolved by having flags like this:
>
> [x] Show advanced File view Modes in File View Dialog.
>
> So that some new options become present in the GUI, etc...

configure the configuration? please tell me you're kidding.

=2D-=20
Aaron J. Seigo
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